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[Orangeblood]

Originally Posted by chafic

It really doesn't matter who Hezbollah thinks to be its enemy, or any other similar gibberish and melodrama. That party can do politics the way it deems suitable, and forge its relations the way it wants, but it simply cannot be a militia and have any arms.
And of course, as long as it has the weapons, it will keep looking for enemies, it will keep spreading hatred, lies, demagogy and propaganda. Nothing new.

Do you think will leave us in peace if HA surrender his weapons? Go back to 1948 and read about the history of confrontation between Lebanon and Israel!! Israeli men used to come in and out as much as they wanted, the whole word did not give suitable weapons to our army to defend our dignity. MEA aircraft were destroyed etc etc And if you tell me it is because of PLO, then PLO was (and still) the ally of KJ and "harake wataniye" and KSA, the same who wants to take full control of Lebanon with some inner help from the prestigeous AG and SG (TROJAN HORSES).
The main problem is and will remain the armed palestinians fraction.
Chafic, spare us your hatred ideology and false propaganda, get pragmatic. HA arms is here to stay till the signature of a peace treaty with israel and the palestinian get their country.

[chafic]

Originally Posted by Orangeblood

Do you think will leave us in peace if HA surrender his weapons?

Absolutely. Negotiate with Israel for peace or at least truce, and let the Lebanese army do the rest of the job, i.e. protecting Lebanon if necessary. The weapons of Hezbollah are not good but for internal power struggle, and futile wars with Israel that are fully against Lebanese interests.

Originally Posted by Orangeblood

Go back to 1948 and read about the history of confrontation between Lebanon and Israel!!

Yes, historically Lebanon first declared war on Israel, just after its creation.

Originally Posted by Orangeblood

Israeli men used to come in and out as much as they wanted, the whole word did not give suitable weapons to our army to defend our dignity. MEA aircraft were destroyed etc etc And if you tell me it is because of PLO, then PLO was (and still) the ally of KJ and "harake wataniye" and KSA, the same who wants to take full control of Lebanon with some inner help from the prestigeous AG and SG (TROJAN HORSES).

That's just too irrelevant.

Originally Posted by Orangeblood

The main problem is and will remain the armed Palestinians fraction.

It is a problem, but for the moment not as critical as Hezbollah's. While the Palestinians weapons are mainly a security problem (and a very dangerous one), Hezbollah's weapons are more critical politically, ideologically and security wise.

Originally Posted by Orangeblood

Chafic, spare us your hatred ideology and false propaganda,

How is being in favor of Hezbollah's disarmament, or against it politically a "hatred ideology" and "false propaganda"? Isn't it ironic that peace or social justice become "hatred ideology"?

Originally Posted by Orangeblood

get pragmatic. HA arms is here to stay till the signature of a peace treaty with israel and the palestinian get their country.

I'm not sure if by "is here to stay" you mean that they have to, or that they simply will (stay). In both cases, I think the answer is "No".

[TripolySunni]

Originally Posted by chafic

Absolutely. Negotiate with Israel for peace or at least truce, and let the Lebanese army do the rest of the job, i.e. protecting Lebanon if necessary. The weapons of Hezbollah are not good but for internal power struggle, and futile wars with Israel that are fully against Lebanese interests.

LA cannot protect lebanon when nessessary. Israel should return occupied territories to remove the excuse from HA keeping its weapons, Who defines the lebanese interests? the christians? or muslims? or both at the same time ;)

Originally Posted by chafic

Yes, historically Lebanon first declared war on Israel, just after its creation.

in 58 the struggle between the nasserists and Cham3oun brought an end to his reign. Then came Shehhab who made deals with abdulnasser and was part of his camp, THUS PEACE RETURNED TO LEBANON.

Originally Posted by chafic

That's just too irrelevant.

its quite interesting that PLO kidnnaps Israeli air planes, lands them in Jaza2er or They assasinate some Israeli in England or France Then Israel Destroys 13 Lebanese air planes.

Originally Posted by chafic

It is a problem, but for the moment not as critical as Hezbollah's. While the Palestinians weapons are mainly a security problem (and a very dangerous one), Hezbollah's weapons are more critical politically, ideologically and security wise.

That is not Fair :) ur not treating the palestinians fairly ;) I personaly think that if HA wants to fight israel then thier weapons should be confined to the South Only, except for times of war.

Originally Posted by chafic

How is being in favor of Hezbollah's disarmament, or against it politically a "hatred ideology" and "false propaganda"? Isn't it ironic that peace or social justice become "hatred ideology"?

i dont think what you say is false propaganda, its just stupid and un-planned and if you wanna convinse me that you know more than the strategic experts and experts in regional affairs, well tough luck.

Originally Posted by chafic

I'm not sure if by "is here to stay" you mean that they have to, or that they simply will (stay). In both cases, I think the answer is "No".

No they are not here to stay, i personally think until Jerusalem is back in our hands and until it is surrounded by Arab territories from at least three sides, so yea it may take a while.

[LiNk]

in 58 the struggle between the nasserists and Cham3oun brought an end to his reign. Then came Shehhab who made deals with abdulnasser and was part of his camp, THUS PEACE RETURNED TO LEBANON.

What peace?

How do you explain what happened in '75 then? Was it that Chamoun got back the presidency?

That is not Fair :) ur not treating the palestinians fairly ;) I personaly think that if HA wants to fight israel then thier weapons should be confined to the South Only, except for times of war.

Palestinians should be disarmed and bought a no-return ticket.

No they are not here to stay, i personally think until Jerusalem is back in our hands and until it is surrounded by Arab territories from at least three sids, so yea it may take a while.

I think you never read the MoU.

If your dream is to liberate Jerusalem go to Palestine and fight from there. I will be the one wishing you luck.

[chafic]

Originally Posted by TripolySunni

LA cannot protect lebanon when nessessary.

Of course it can; At least it is less likely to drag Lebanon into futile destructive wars.

Originally Posted by TripolySunni

Israel should return occupied territories to remove the excuse from HA keeping its weapons, Who defines the lebanese interests? the christians? or muslims? or both at the same time ;)

What do Christians and Muslims have to do with it? Don't let this complex take over you. The Lebanese interest is obviously to live in peace with its neighbors (including Israel) and of course internally (and that means social justice).

Originally Posted by TripolySunni

in 58 the struggle between the nasserists and Cham3oun brought an end to his reign. Then came Shehhab who made deals with abdulnasser and was part of his camp, THUS PEACE RETURNED TO LEBANON.

When Lebanon decided to invade Isaerl in 1948, Khoury was still the president. Anyway, I don't see your point

Originally Posted by TripolySunni

its quite interesting that PLO kidnnaps Israeli air planes, lands them in Jaza2er or They assasinate some Israeli in England or France Then Israel Destroys 13 Lebanese air planes.

Nothing that interesting about it. But again, there's no reason to perpetuate an irrelevant war with Israel.

That is not Fair :) ur not treating the palestinians fairly ;) I personaly think that if HA wants to fight israel then thier weapons should be confined to the South Only, except for times of war.

Again, you're beside the point.

Originally Posted by TripolySunni

i dont think what you say is false propaganda, its just stupid and un-planned and if you wanna convinse me that you know more than the strategic experts and experts in regional affairs, well tough luck.

Originally Posted by TripolySunni

No they are not here to stay, i personally think until Jerusalem is back in our hands and until it is surrounded by Arab territories from at least three sides, so yea it may take a while.

We can agree on that for now. Time will tell.

[JD06]

Originally Posted by Abou Sandal

This is a problem, only for those who are interested in seeing Lebanon weak and under US/Israeli custody.

I hope that this "problem" will continue to grow in time.

yes some people are still nostalgic about the days when the israeli army used to reach beirut in 2 days. now we have a strong resistance and thy see it as a problem

[Abou Sandal]

Originally Posted by chafic

It really doesn't matter who Hezbollah thinks to be its enemy, or any other similar gibberish and melodrama. That party can do politics the way it deems suitable, and forge its relations the way it wants, but it simply cannot be a militia and have any arms.
And of course, as long as it has the weapons, it will keep looking for enemies, it will keep spreading hatred, lies, demagogy and propaganda. Nothing new.

Understand this once and for all:

The resistance is staying armed and will keep arming itself to become stronger and stronger,no matter what your wildest dreams and fantasies could be,...until there is a strong state capable of protecting the integrity and independence of every grain of Lebanese soil,every breath of Lebanese air,every drop of Lebanese water,and capable of protecting the integrity and security and safety and honor of every single Lebanese citizen and interest.

And make no mistake,...trying to use the resistance's weapons issue,as a pretext to justify re-arming militias on the Lebanese soil, will not get you or anyone else anywhere.

Re-arm any militia and just look at us disarming it...voluntarily or by force.

[orangeflavor]

Originally Posted by chafic

Of course it can; At least it is less likely to drag Lebanon into futile destructive wars.



What do Christians and Muslims have to do with it? Don't let this complex take over you. The Lebanese interest is obviously to live in peace with its neighbors (including Israel) and of course internally (and that means social justice).




When Lebanon decided to invade Isaerl in 1948, Khoury was still the president. Anyway, I don't see your point



Nothing that interesting about it. But again, there's no reason to perpetuate an irrelevant war with Israel.



Again, you're beside the point.








We can agree on that for now. Time will tell.

When Israel used to enter South Lebanon every minute and drag all young guys and put them in prison for no reason and rape women in front of their parents your beloved leader AG (was the president of Lebanon) and SG were gathering meetings with Sharon. It gave the southern lebanese families no choice but to back HA and you can see that clearly in any election and any parlimentary election in future you notice that HA will win it by far. This is a clear reason why the southern lebanese support HA and will continue its support. But for you Chafic I say if HA is not there would your AG will protect southern lebanese like he did when he was a president? He is going to protect it by meeting more Israelis? I still think that AG and SG don't beleive that lebanese in south are lebanese but they are just bunch of Iranians and Syrians.

[lara_84]

if it wasnt for the HA & all the lebanese young men who died defending lebanon in 2006, israel would have invaded lebanon easily & the so called leaders who keep talking about independance (and they were the ones meeting with israelis and welcoming the israeli tanks in beirut which killed lebanese women and children) hole law 2edret israel tfout kenna shefnehon 3am ydayfo shay w 2ahwe lal israelie metel ma sar b sakanet marj3youn...HA kept their dignity (if they still have any) & more important kept us dignity at a time such leaders gambled on our dignity & blood for their own interest...

leaders...wa7ad 2e3ed 3am yel3ab wara2 3al ba7er w wa7ad 5af 3ala tayarto il 5asa w we7de waza3et il mose3adet tab3oul il me7tejeen 3ala jame3eta....shame on them!

when the LA is capable of defending lebanon HA should surrender his weapons...untill then be proud to have such a brave strong ressitance...i went to many countries & wenever i said im lebanese, every1 would start compliment about how brave we are and how our ressistance gave hope to millions of abused ppl around the globe...

god bless all the lebanese mothers who keep giving birth of brave young men & sacrifice them to defend the lebanese dignity and independance...all mothers, all martyrs...

[Zayn]

Can somebody tell me why opponents of Hezbollah constantly insist that their weapons are against "Lebanese" interests. Is Hezbollah not Lebanese?

Dear Opponents of Hezbollah,

Next time you want to describe whose interests Hezbollah is against, refrain from using "Lebanese" or "Lebanon's," instead say "my interests" or "[insert political party, family name, town, sect]'s interests."

I thank you in advance.