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I dont know why some people here are trying to deny the high influence of Khamene2i (or any wali fakih in Iran) on HA, it is like wating to deny that Elisabeth is the queen of england.

Naim Kassem himself, talked about the role of this Fakih in major decisions in the party, he explicitely states in his book about HA that the fakih was consulted to decide if the party can be participate in parliamentary elections.
This of course doesnt make the news posted above by chafic true, but the influence of Khamene2i is undeniable, and thus the piece of news is possible.
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I dont know why some people here are trying to deny the high influence of Khamene2i (or any wali fakih in Iran) on HA, it is like wating to deny that Elisabeth is the queen of england.

Naim Kassem himself, talked about the role of this Fakih in major decisions in the party, he explicitely states in his book about HA that the fakih was consulted to decide if the party can be participate in parliamentary elections.
This of course doesnt make the news posted above by chafic true, but the influence of Khamene2i is undeniable, and thus the piece of news is possible.
I'm not saying it's necessarily true either, but I was just mentioning the source of Proud Republican's post.
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I asked for the transcript of the fatwa I believe, and not about the rambling of a certain journalist who bases his whole article on one theory and yet fails to post even the slightest part of the fatwa or how he got his hands on it.
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I asked for the transcript of the fatwa I believe, and not about the rambling of a certain journalist who bases his whole article on one theory and yet fails to post even the slightest part of the fatwa or how he got his hands on it.
If this piece of news isnt true, it doesnt change anything to the FACT that fatwas from the wali fakih have an important role in the policy making of HA.
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If this piece of news isnt true, it doesnt change anything to the FACT that fatwas from the wali fakih have an important role in the policy making of HA.
such infinite insight you have. please tell us more about those behind HA's policy making, oh wise one.
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If this piece of news isnt true, it doesnt change anything to the FACT that fatwas from the wali fakih have an important role in the policy making of HA.
Care to explain how?
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If this piece of news isnt true, it doesnt change anything to the FACT that fatwas from the wali fakih have an important role in the policy making of HA.
This piece of news is definitely untrue until a transcript of the fatwa is shown to the public.
As for fatwas from Khamene2i having an important role in making the policy of HA (care to give examples? just for knowledge purposes), so does the word of the Almighty King of KSA regarding FM. And yes, both are reprehensible.
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Care to explain how?
Check Naim Kassem's book, he talked about how they consult the Wali al fakih in major issues, he gave an example that in 1992, the executive committee of HA wanted to know if it is 'machrou3' to participate in parliamentary elections, so they consulted the Wali fakih who validated it. That is an example given by the deputy secretary general of HA.

As for more general evidence, HA leadership doesnt deny at all beleiving in wilayat al fakih, and the wali fakih has enormous powers that include of course the political scope.
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This piece of news is definitely untrue until a transcript of the fatwa is shown to the public.
Of course it couldn't be taken for granted.

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As for fatwas from Khamene2i having an important role in making the policy of HA (care to give examples? just for knowledge purposes), so does the word of the Almighty King of KSA regarding FM. And yes, both are reprehensible.
But for some reason FM is not an armed militia, does not advocate an Islamic ideology, and is more liberal than Hezbollah. Should one conclude that the King is way better than the Fakih?
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This piece of news is definitely untrue until a transcript of the fatwa is shown to the public.
As for fatwas from Khamene2i having an important role in making the policy of HA (care to give examples? just for knowledge purposes), so does the word of the Almighty King of KSA regarding FM. And yes, both are reprehensible.
the need to bring FM somehow each time you are cornered regarding an argument of HA is both funny and hypocrite.
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