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[TripolySunni]

Originally Posted by FBM

okay but it was hezballah taht was created by iran cuz amal was getting to close to syria...

anyways ill read this lovely post tomorrow cause I have school tomorrow and a chem test.. and I and to get my 7 hrs of sleep so bye

AMAL under Nabih Berri was straying away from it's original purpose (purpose given to it by Musa Al Sadr The father of AMAL).
Pro-Syrian AMAL was not resisting the israeli nor Serving the interests of the Lebanese Shiites, In 82 a Huge faction Broke from AMAL's chains and decided to fight the israelies alone and Ally with the Palestinians.
Nabih Berri Did not accept the fact that another Faction Represents Shites, He wanted the Shiites to be exclusive only for Himself, What made things worst is that HA has allied in some way with the Palestinians and the Murabitoun.
In 82, The decision to destroy the PLO and all those allied to it in Lebanon was already taken, later There was an agreement between Khaddam(Syria) and Philip Habib(America) to Destroy the Palestinians and thier allies in lebanon completely, Saudi Arabia(ARABS) gave its blessings to this agreement, And Rafic Al Hariri was considered the Godfather of the agreement.
In 82 was the First Blow to the resistance by Israel...things did not go as planned and israel was kicked out of beirut by the resistance, Although they managed to Strenghten the SLA and Remove PLO from the picture.

What the leader of the Lebanese resistance Ibrahim Kolailat Said To Israel during the attack of 82:

لن تدخلوا بيروت

لن تدخلوا بيروت

ستموتون تحت شبابيك المدينة التي لا تموت

ستسقطون تحت سقوف متاريسها

لن تدخلوا بيروت

كل كيس رمل

كل كيس رملٍ كل صخرة

كل موجة في بحرها تابوت

لن تدخلوا بيروت

لن تدخلوا بيروت

ستموتون تحت شبابيك المدينة التي لا تموت

ستسقطون تحت سقوف متاريسها

لن تدخلوا بيروت

كل كيس رمل

كل كيس رملٍ كل صخرة

كل موجة في بحرها تابوت

لن تدخلوا بيروت

نحن في انتظاركم

نحن في انتظاركم قد شق كل طفل صدره

فانظروا

انظروا

انظروا قلبه فوق كفه قنبلة

والعصافير في الشبابيك

حبة القمح صارت رصاصة في الحوصلة

لن تجروا بيروت بالسلسلة

نحن لم نعد نعيش في عصر العواصم المكحلة

لا

لا لم نعد نعيش في عصر العواصم المذهبة

إننا

إننا نعيش عصرنا العظيم

عصرنا الذي اسمه بيروت

لن تدخلوا بيروت



صوت لبنان العربي 1982

In 83 the attack was continued by Ameen Gemayel and "HIS" Army.
In 84 There was an attack by Jumblatt and His Militia "psp" But it was Uncoordinated (with Syria) and Unsuccessful, His aim was to control the political Decision by dealing a blow to the resistance.

During this time HA was at war with Saad Haddad and Later Antoine La7ed, and also trained with the Iranian revolutionary Guards who offered them nesessary equipment.

In 85 Pro-Syrian AMAL was ordered to destroy the resistance and occupy West Beirut, The attack failed and AMAL was broken completely, During this Time Kolailat was in a meeting with Hafez al Assad in Syria discusing some sort of a cease-Fire, AMAL did not abide by the Cease-fire and The Shiites of Al Mourabitoun Urged thier command to deal the final blow to AMAL, Nabbih Berri's House was Under seige And he was supposed to die that same night.

All Hell broke Loose as Syria Gave the Order to Jumblatt and the Communists To Turn on The Mourabitoun and Destroy what remained of the resistance in lebanon and wipe out anybody in its way of destrying the Palestinian camps.

PSP,Communists,AMAL and some militias allied with Syria Destroyed the Sunni/Shiite resistance in Beirut and Around it in a Swift and Coordinated attack, Ibrahim Kolailat was exiled to France.

PLO handed some of the camps to its allies Mourabitoun and Hezballah before leaving lebanon, In Xchange for some weapons and Equipment.

What remained of the Mourabitoun and Hezballah were destroyed and massacred along with the palestinians in the camps.

In 86 The resistance in the North (Al Taw7id+Mourabitoun) Were destroyed completely in six days and so was Tripoli, A traitor Called Dorgham (Hariri's ally today) handed the Mourabitoun Offices in the north to the Syrian Army without a fight.

in 87 AMAL was ordered to destroy the Last remaining resistance in Lebanon "Hezballah". A war started in South Beirut between the Two Shiite movments and AMAL as usual was defeated easily, Syria interfered to aid AMAL, and Hezballah suffered many casualties as the Syrian Army started committing massacres. Hezballah was in an extremly bad situation.

Hezballah was finally spared destruction after Iran made a deal with Syria, From then on Syria "Ignored" the presence of Hezballah.

After Syria Left Lebanon in 2005 many Important resistance personalities Came back to lebanon and the Mourabitoun announced thier return, The resistant General Aoun also came back after Syria had destroyed his army and sent him to exile.

[Abou Sandal]

Originally Posted by NewB

THE 2006 LEBANON CAMPAIGN
AND THE FUTURE OF WARFARE:
IMPLICATIONS FOR ARMY AND DEFENSE
POLICY

Stephen Biddle
Jeffrey A. Friedman
September 2008

This publication is a work of the U.S. Government as defined
in Title 17, United States Code, Section 101. As such, it is in the
public domain, and under the provisions of Title 17, United States
Code, Section 105, it may not be copyrighted.

A MUST READ FOR EVERYONE

http://www.strategicstudiesinstitute...les/PUB882.pdf



w2al sho they lost the war....

This report is a joke.Many things stated in it,are just an insult to intelligence.

IMHO,this report is not interested in studying the real facts,but just interested in using the names of "Hezbollah" and "July 2006 war",with what they unconsciously bring in the minds of the readers in terms of "positive and winning strategy" perception,along with deliberately fabricated stories and numbers,for the purpose of putting forward and giving credibility,to some internal agenda and demand, for a certain change in US military strategy...That often hides internal economic and political interests.

This biased report,is partly based on truncated facts,and partly based on deliberate lies,and partly based on serious denial.It is obviously just fabricated to give some leverage to one side,against another side,in a debate taking place inside the US administration,and has nothing to do with the assessment of real combat tactics and achievements.

But i wouldn't complain at all.On the contrary.

It is such reports that will always keep our enemy in the dark,and away from reality,thus push it to more and more errors and defeats.

I guess that in a way or another,such reports and studies manage to suit everyone.

[Dry Ice]

Originally Posted by Abou Sandal

Those could be only first glance external appearances impressions.But not effective differences.

Sadr was working on establishing a resistance that was intended to be at HA's resistance level and image.So the "violence" issue is common,yet needs to be put in the right (common) context,and named as it is defined:Resistance.

As for the Islamic ideology,Sadr was pure Islamic ideology....His actions,his ideology,his uprising,his stands,...although in the context of socio-economical,socio-political,political and military problems,were all directly derived and centered around,his religious fundamental beliefs.Same as Hezbollah.

Abou, I wasn't contending the substance of Hezbollah/Moussa Sadr's fight against Israel or Islamic values, rather their respective styles that differed subtantially, those are facts based on their respective actions.

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by Dry Ice

Abou, I wasn't contending the substance of Hezbollah/Moussa Sadr's fight against Israel or Islamic values, rather their respective styles that differed subtantially, those are facts based on their respective actions.

Different circumstances.... Sayyed Mousa left, but his lesson was learnt and put to action :).

[Dry Ice]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

Different circumstances.... Sayyed Mousa left, but his lesson was learnt and put to action :).

I do not disagree that Hezbollah learnt from Imam Sadr's actions. My point is: would have Sadr acted similarily to Hezbollah post 1979 date of the Iranian Islamic revolution?

For example, Islamic Amal (which later formed Hezbollah) split from the actual Amal that Sadr founded.

[TripolySunni]

Originally Posted by Dry Ice

I do not disagree that Hezbollah learnt from Imam Sadr's actions. My point is: would have Sadr acted similarily to Hezbollah post 1979 date of the Iranian Islamic revolution?

For example, Islamic Amal (which later formed Hezbollah) split from the actual Amal that Sadr founded.

Well if u read my post above you would understand why they split from AMAL.

As for how Sadr would have acted, That is a question you can Ask Him personaly. Sadr was not against violence but he was against the shiites paying the price alone, He forced Kamal Jumblatt to Take the War to The JABAL and Accused him of fighting with the Shiites of the South and Da7iya.

[Dry Ice]

Originally Posted by TripolySunni

Well if u read my post above you would understand why they split from AMAL.

Hezbollah was formed because there were Shiite elements that did not agree with Berri's leadership, maybe Hezbollah wouldn't have seen the light if Moussa Sadr was still alive.. or are you stating that Amal would have split/morphed into Hezbollah regardless of Sadr's presence?

Originally Posted by TripolySunni

As for how Sadr would have acted, That is a question you can Ask Him personaly. Sadr was not against violence but he was against the shiites paying the price alone, He forced Kamal Jumblatt to Take the War to The JABAL and Accused him of fighting with the Shiites of the South and Da7iya.

Sadr tried to keep internal violent action as a last resort (meaning he did not want the Shiites to fight other Lebanese factions) he also wasn't too excited to fight the Palestinian war on the Shiites' expense, he paid such activism with his life.

[TripolySunni]

Originally Posted by Dry Ice

Hezbollah was formed because there were Shiite elements that did not agree with Berri's leadership, maybe Hezbollah wouldn't have seen the light if Moussa Sadr was still alive.. or are you stating that Amal would have split/morphed into Hezbollah regardless of Sadr's presence?



Sadr tried to keep internal violent action as a last resort (meaning he did not want the Shiites to fight other Lebanese factions) he also wasn't too excited to fight the Palestinian war on the Shiites' expense, he paid such activism with his life.

What I am Saying Is that AMAL would not have strayed from its Original Purpose if Sadr Did not Die, They Turned from A resistance and from Allies of The Palestinians and members of LNM To Pawns For Syria That Fought Against The Shiites Who resisted in west and south beirut.
In 82 The majoraty of Shiites Inside AMAL Could not Take this nonesence anymore so they Split.
As for the "Last Resort" thing, Yes In 82 and During the Invasion of The South IT WAS THE LAST RESORT THAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT.

[FBM]

Originally Posted by Abou Sandal

That's a wide spread misconception and simplification that is far from reality.

HA was created by Lebanon,just like most part of the Iranian revolution principles.

Iran fully backed it, because Iran in itself,was the big scale political and spiritual reflection, of a big part of what Jabal Amel exported to the Iranian revolution,and after the drift of Amal,HA represented again, a return to the sources of ideology.

Toufaily in his turn drifted away from that spirit...Which lead to his immediate eviction.

HA,unlike many pawns in the regions,was created by a wide spread, social,religious and political ideology, that was born among its natural social base,then grew up in time.

Unlike many parties,HA is not an artificial tool created by some external power,like FM for example.

You need to do a real work to understand what HA is,before discussing it.

Wel then why isn't/wasn't Iran helping the Lebanese.. Specifically it was only helping the shias who were allied to it (HA) If IRI idealogies came from jabal amel then shouldn't they have helped/help all lebanese or at least all shias?

[FBM]

I don't know wheter I should post these here or in the archives but..

Looting and Abductions

Members of other pro-Syrian leftist groups and of the Lebanese Communist Party emerged from their mountain strongholds in eastern Lebanon and poured into the upper Metin region, where they erected barricades and opened militia offices.

The Muslim fundamentalist fighters of the Party of God dashed into Christian areas, looting shops and abducting residents. Party of God officials said they were taking Christian prisoners so they could exchange them for Shiite Muslims held by the Lebanese Army and the Lebanese Forces militia.

On Sunday, the Party of God clashed with Mr. Hobeika's Christian fighters over looting in the Hadath area, southeast of Beirut. The police and security sources said that more than 16 people were killed. Officials of the Party of God said the two-hour battle ended when Syrians sent more troops to the area.

As pro-Syrian forces extended their conquests, bulldozers dispatched by the Government began removing the barricades that have divided Beirut into eastern Muslim and western Christian halves. Passage across the Green Line was still restricted, however, while soldiers searched for mines, Mr. Mansour said.



16 Dead in Beirut Power Struggle After Christian General Gives Up - New York Times