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slaps from here, slaps from there... it doesn't make it right anyway.
Well, if you keep slapping me and i keep turning the other cheek, one day my cheeks are going to grow hands and slap you back. I don't understand, why is it fine for us to always be slapped? Have we no right to slap back? wallah 3ajib hal zaman. I believe that Nasrallah's mistake was when he kept saying "in qataltum minna blah blah blah". They started killing and wouldn't stop. He gave them the "impression" that our blood is cheap. The people waited for "justice" but it came from no one, sooooooooo, they were driven to conclude that the thugs need to have their hands chopped off (which didn't happen of course) to learn who they're messing with. We didn't defeat Israel for Hariri's z3ran to kill us. The only way to contain the angry people whose kids were killed for no reason was to slap back and snatch the weapons out of the hands that fired. Had there been no Nasrallah, Shamas family alone, would've left no FMer living in Tarek l'jdidi alive, and we know well what they're like. All in all, it was nescessary. In the end, you get tired of being killed all the time.
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The rule of the jungle..
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The rule of the jungle..
You're not being righteous. In civilized countries, you are at least jailed if you serve an invading army tea. In Lebanon, you are glorified after you kill thousands, then you continue what your Israeli mates started with. Those are not the rules we believe in ;)
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You're not being righteous. In civilized countries, you are at least jailed if you serve an invading army tea. In Lebanon, you are glorified after you kill thousands, then you continue what your Israeli mates started with. Those are not the rules we believe in ;)
Is it a jungle or is it not a jungle and aren't the "strongest" making the rules as per your description?
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Is it a jungle or is it not a jungle and aren't the "strongest" making the rules?
Who are the strongest? And what rules are you talking about? There's no justice, at least when it comes to us.

Why is it ok for FMers to carry American weapons and fire at us killing tens without anyone even condemning the acts? Seems that many still believe that killing a Shiaa is a hobby. Those swines are a militia armed by America and Israel for the purpose of igniting a civil war. They need to be sentenced to death with their masters for high treason.

I personally don't believe in laying back and getting killed. It's against my prinicples. You kill my brother, i will hunt you down even one minute before i die. Find the killer and give him the punishment he deserves, i'm happy. But as long as you tread on my rights, on my humanity, i'll take justice into my own hands. Don't try to argue otherwise with those who lose their kids for no reason, it won't work. And DO put yourself in their shoes for a second.
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Who are the strongest? And what rules are you talking about? There's no justice, at least when it comes to us.

Why is it ok for FMers to carry American weapons and fire at us killing tens without anyone even condemning the acts? Seems that many still believe that killing a Shiaa is a hobby. Those swines are a militia armed by America and Israel for the purpose of igniting a civil war. They need to be sentenced to death with their masters for high treason.

I personally don't believe in laying back and getting killed. It's against my prinicples. You kill my brother, i will hunt you down even one minute before i die. Find the killer and give him the punishment he deserves, i'm happy. But as long as you tread on my rights, on my humanity, i'll take justice into my own hands. Don't try to argue otherwise with those who lose their kids for no reason, it won't work. And DO put yourself in their shoes for a second.
Many sides play their hand at various times, there are those in a position of state power and others with guns in the streets - I realize your justification for one side, I just do not accept it. With all the drama that one could inject from one side, the other side injects the same drama... I am not interested in the justification but in conflict resolution.
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Who are the strongest? And what rules are you talking about? There's no justice, at least when it comes to us.

Why is it ok for FMers to carry American weapons and fire at us killing tens without anyone even condemning the acts? Seems that many still believe that killing a Shiaa is a hobby. Those swines are a militia armed by America and Israel for the purpose of igniting a civil war. They need to be sentenced to death with their masters for high treason.

I personally don't believe in laying back and getting killed. It's against my prinicples. You kill my brother, i will hunt you down even one minute before i die. Find the killer and give him the punishment he deserves, i'm happy. But as long as you tread on my rights, on my humanity, i'll take justice into my own hands. Don't try to argue otherwise with those who lose their kids for no reason, it won't work. And DO put yourself in their shoes for a second.
to be honest dalzi, after the syrian withdrawal in 2005, i expected Hizbullah to be the big lebanese bully. but i did not want to judge it blindly on things that "might" happen in the future and didn't happen yet..

but with time, i came to be convinced that Hizbullah seriously had no intention to be a bully, and rather it was the FM/PSP/LF ppl that were all happy merry about their new found position of power with the americans.

i can't say i was completely surprised with the 14bazar bunch, but i can say that i was completely surprised at the level of restrain that hizbullah showed them after 14bazar tested their luck a million times like cheap thugs.

so in the end, when the old government pushed its luck for the last time, and when the "Heroes" of tarik al jedideh shot at protesters for the nth time, i had no problem whatsoever with seeing hizbullah respond back.

and it did so with tact. hizbullah could have left a scorched land behind it, but didnt, it just did what was necessary. and that is something i respect.

jumbi who was upping the stakes on a daily basis bcuz he thought his territory was sealed and protected and hence he had nothing to lose was given a rude awakening, and now he shut his venomous mouth that was pitting sunnis against shias and christians and muslims. when hizbullah brought it on to his home turf, he finally had something to lose and wasn't gambling with the stakes of only others anymore.
and for that, i say thk u hizbullah. thk u a million times, jumbi was a loose cannon that needed to be towed down and that's what happened.

as for harriri and his neo maniacs, they can nag and lament and do whatever they want, i don't expect them to learn their lesson and i don't expect them to stop being unpatriotic. so i don't care much about them. how can i care if they are proud of the thugs of tarik al jadideh and the many times those same thugs shot at ppl from buildings ? they brought this upon themselves to start with.

but i do understand what hizbullah did in the end, on both the psp/harriri front and on the old government front. those 2 last decisions that the government took to sever the communication lines of the hizb can be considered a declaration of war on it. i'm not from the hizbullah party, but i do consider them declaration of war on the hizb, no doubt in my mind.

and the nasty thing is, they expect the army to wage their war against hizbullah. unbelievable. an uncalled for war of such scale, who said that the army MUST fight hizbullah ? bunch of sick minds.
14 bazar hypocrites trying to pass such a decree without any political grounds for it at 5 am in the morning and still trying to act innocent about it, pathetic.

if anything, i will have to say thk u hizbullah, u did the right thing at a very critical time.

but i do need to add this, last time hizbullah did right with its actions, it does not mean it is error proof with its decisions for the future. it would do the hizb a lot of good to remember that and exercise some level of humility regardless of its past victories.

that said, dalzi, u shouldn't turn this into a US/THEY war, this is lebanon, we are stuck with each other, alliances WILL CHANGE in the future, what's important is doing what is necessary now to actually HAVE A FUTURE in the future.. hehe

so don't worry more than u have to, and try to avoid falling into the sectarian trap that helps nobody. patience is bliss if u can afford it.
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Isn't Lebanon a Jungle?

Wake up and smell the coffee
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So what is your proposal, we use deplomacy with Israel or go all out against Syria
We look for more options, I am sure that 4 Million Lebanese could think of something. BTW, I am looking for your answer here
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Isn't Lebanon a Jungle?

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We look for more options, I am sure that 4 Million Lebanese could think of something. BTW, I am looking for your answer here
I completely agree, but we had no choice. There's a mafia ruling hand in hand with the enemy, what do you expect? L3ama! I swear i don't understand where patience comes from! I guess it's from God .

It got to the stage where the zionist slaves plotted with the US and Israel over plans for the airport and phonelines. In the end HA is a resistance, you want to serve my enemy, if you're my own flesh and blood, i'll resist you. And it is as such, how many a traitor has a brother who faced him in battle among us alone.

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Many sides play their hand at various times, there are those in a position of state power and others with guns in the streets - I realize your justification for one side, I just do not accept it. With all the drama that one could inject from one side, the other side injects the same drama... I am not interested in the justification but in conflict resolution.
It was done HAND IN HAND WITH THE LA. You don't accept it because you were not in danger, we were. It's been like that since the dawn of history, no one sees the danger we're in. Or they see and don't care. In any case, we know how to protect ourselvse when there's no one to protect us. And we'll do WHATEVER it takes to survive. I waited for it impatiently, i waited for someone to do something to stop them from shooting at us like birds, no one did. Let the zionist boot suckers try again and see where their hands will end up .

P.S. Sorry for the "we" Red Phoenix, it was called for again. Blame isolation.
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