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كثرة "البالغين" جعلت هذا الموضوع ممل و اشبه ب "حمام مقطوعة ميتو" ز

حزب الله يملك السلاح و يفعل ما يشاء و روحو بلطو البحر ههههههههه

[Dry Ice]

Originally Posted by Red Phoenix

but if HA instigated the salafists, who instigated HA first?
i say it was the old "bold" "fooler" goverment hehe

What came first, the chicken or the egg?

Originally Posted by Shia4lyf

SHN said during the May 7 that we dont want to use weapones, instead we are going to protest in a civilized way so the government backs away from the two decisions that it made; However, he said if they (the 14hmar ) start to shoot at us we are going to shoot back.

In another example, FPMers didn’t shoot people back in January 2007. You might have a set of prerogatives while others have different ones.

Originally Posted by Abou Sandal

I know that you are a much more complex personality,with much better subtle and elaborated arguments.

You are oversimplifying things,disregarding facts that occurred during three years,like treasons,real conspiracies with the enemy,snipers,killings unarmed protesters,verbal sectarian and non-sectarian attacks,constant harassment,vigilantes in the streets,and mostly,terror and civil war instigations,terror breading,terror funding and training...and finally,a real declaration of war consisting in the 2 criminal illegal decisions.

Comparing things,the way you did, in such a light way,is only misleading,since it equates between two different currents of thoughts,actions,and behavior,because it turns the whole political struggle in Lebanon,into a mere "point of view" and "perspective",...while it's not.

For some people,it's a mater of survival,while for others,it's a mater of domination and hegemony.Those are proven facts....And not a mater of opinion and perspective.

I am not disregarding nor simplifying anything; personally I am anti-violence especially if it is between the people of a same nation (ie civil strife/war). If the army can’t cut it – I wouldn’t take the matters in my own hands, whatever the matter is, that’s my position but I do realize that there are as many different perspectives; as for someone a perceived matter of survival might justify the use of violence in that way however for someone else it does not, ie the matter of Hezbollah's resistance survival isn't more important to me than national stability, I do not accept the gamble that Hezbollah took in order to preserve itself.

[Red Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Dry Ice

What came first, the chicken or the egg?

the chicken was inside the egg, so they technically both came first.

[Dry Ice]

Originally Posted by Red Phoenix

the chicken was inside the egg, so they technically both came first.

They are both accountable for their actions, I would not try to justify one or the other for whatever actions they take.

[Red Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Dry Ice

They are both accountable for their actions, I would not try to justify one or the other for whatever actions they take.

ya, but times flows in a certain direction.

now assuming that we are still not talking about chickens and eggs, but rather about HA and the old goverment, i'm inclined to blame the goverment more since it was the first to instigate the problem with HA.

[Dry Ice]

Originally Posted by Red Phoenix

ya, but times flows in a certain direction.

now assuming that we are still not talking about chickens and eggs, but rather about HA and the old goverment, i'm inclined to blame the goverment more since it was the first to instigate the problem with HA.

What's the value added of finding who's more to blame other than the actual focus of conflict resolution and prevention by holding each party accountable for its actions, whether one side is "to be blamed more or less than the other"?

[Red Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Dry Ice

What's the value added of finding who's more to blame other than the actual focus of conflict resolution and prevention by holding each party accountable for its actions, whether one side is "to be blamed more or less than the other"?

now u r cleverly shifting subjects with subtlety.
but that was not the original point of the matter. :)

but since u want to talk about the "use" of bringing this bit up now, well i can say we can bring it back up so we don't repeat it.

and as far as this point is concerned i think jumbi learned his lesson.
we still have to wait to see if Saed ever will, as for out esteemed Amine and Samir i dont think they will ever learn, sad past history has taught us as much from them.

if only the old government tried to develop an MoU with the Hizb (one that is even better than the one FPM/Hizb made together) instead of allying itself with the hizb for no reason then declaring war on the hizb for no reason.

if only we have a working time machine here and a working set of brains we can lend the 14march leaders to go back in time and fix this.

this is what i meant by time flows in a certain direction. so of course i blame the old government more than i do the hizb. there was an action, then there was a reaction to the action.

the old goverment made a million mistake, and instead of integrating the hizb and responsibly "fixing" the problem, they kinda went cannibal on it. it backfired.

though luck, better luck next time, for all of us..

[Dry Ice]

Originally Posted by Red Phoenix

now u r cleverly shifting subjects with subtlety.

No

Originally Posted by Red Phoenix

but since u want to talk about the "use" of bringing this bit up now, well i can say we can bring it back up so we don't repeat it.

and as far as this point is concerned i think jumbi learned his lesson.
we still have to wait to see if Saed ever will, as for out esteemed Amine and Samir i dont think they will ever learn, sad past history has taught us as much from them.

if only the old government tried to develop an MoU with the Hizb (one that is even better than the one FPM/Hizb made together) instead of allying itself with the hizb for no reason then declaring war on the hizb for no reason.

if only we have a working time machine here and a working set of brains we can lend the 14march leaders to go back in time and fix this.

this is what i meant by time flows in a certain direction. so of course i blame the old government more than i do the hizb. there was an action, then there was a reaction to the action.

the old goverment made a million mistake, and instead of integrating the hizb and responsibly "fixing" the problem, they kinda went cannibal on it. it backfired.

though luck, better luck next time, for all of us..

If the matter is to build upon if's then we already know that melody, I wasn't referring to that matter, while I did quote the "time flowing" matter in your comment, my reply was clearly on the blame more part.

[Red Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Dry Ice

No



If the matter is to build upon if's then we already know that melody, I wasn't referring to that matter, while I did quote the "time flowing" matter in your comment, my reply was clearly on the blame more part.

explain, what do u mean ?
1-that we should or shouldn't blame?

or 2-that blame is irrelevant of time order.
i hope u don't mean the latter sense cuz.. it would make no sense.

[Dry Ice]

Originally Posted by Red Phoenix

explain, what do u mean ?
1-that we should or shouldn't blame?

or 2-that blame is irrelevant of time order.
i hope u don't mean the latter sense cuz.. it would make no sense.

Blame shouldn't be used in a non-constructive manner and in order to score political points, that's the gist of it.