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[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by Les Taire

israel is dangerous but whos side they are on is irrelevent.

personally i always felt hezbollah and israel were on the same side

they both seem good at destroying lebanon :D as a mutual case.

HA is destroying all the Israelis ;).

what did those innocent peoples of beirut have to do with israel?

Nothing. What do the innocent people of beirut have to do with anything? Wein 3ayesh?

what gave hezbollah the authority and right to invade beirut and terrify them, intimidate them, and blow up future tv???

Where do you live? Jupiter? HA live in Beirut, so no "invasion". They confiscated weapons from those who were armed and shooting at the people, then passed everything to the Lebanese army. And future TV is still there, who told you they blew it up? They just shoved a boot up Saad's mouth while doing their job of cleansing.

[elias-aj]

Originally Posted by chafic

Not really all Lebanese elias. What do you think?

Well, not really indeed. HA's weapons are obviously an object of fear for some lebanese.

But I was considering those weapons within the scope of our conflict with Israel. Regarding this issue and Israel's attitude towards Lebanon, I can't but consider those weapons as a strategic asset.

[Mar1K]

Originally Posted by elias-aj

Well, not really indeed. HA's weapons are obviously an object of fear for some lebanese.

But I was considering those weapons within the scope of our conflict with Israel. Regarding this issue and Israel's attitude towards Lebanon, I can't but consider those weapons as a strategic asset.

Why Elias? HA's did put up a fight that the entire Arab armies "combined" were not able to show against the Zionist regime.

If that is not an asset for Lebanon what is an asset then?

[Red Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Mar1K

Why Elias? HA's did put up a fight that the entire Arab armies "combined" were not able to show against the Zionist regime.

If that is not an asset for Lebanon what is an asset then?

Elias approach is more correct i believe, there are more sides to the story.
both of u agree that they are an asset, but..

as he said, it is a strategic asset that we shouldnt squander for no reason, that doesn't mean that all other lebanese must accept it as holy for that particular reason.

i for one have no problem right now with it, but i do understand the stress it is causing the other party. my only point being here is that they are being unreasonable with their exacerbated fears turned phobias and the way they are portraying this as a black and white matter as the acts that they pull off themselves are way worse than any condition that could arise from Hizbullah.

for instance, with Hizbullah we got the MoU to start defining the role of the arms, with them we got armed anarchist salafist militias in beirut and trablus while they demand that Hizbullah puts down his arms, that's an oxymoron.

with Hizbullah, we got probable route of discourse in the MoU concerning unresolved matters, with them we got constant accusations of treachery and backstabbing and endless weirdness.

with Hizbullah, we got an agreement that lebanon and syria should have normal relationships and embassies, for the others that only apply as long as there is an alawaite man in power in syria, as soon as that fact is gone, 3abd al halim al khadam can act vis-a-vis lebanon like hafez al assaad did and they would not be complaining.

it's all messed up, i understand their fear, but it is misplaced and worse they are the cause of greater fear than Hizbullah could possibly be in the near future.

for in the end, we don't have dozens of Hizbullah offices in achrafieh and metn and jounieh... we have dozens and dozens of Future Movements offices there.

as for the LF fear, they are insane, i don't bother with understanding their phobias.

[Mar1K]

Originally Posted by red phoenix

elias approach is more correct i believe, there are more sides to the story.
Both of u agree that they are an asset, but..

As he said, it is a strategic asset that we shouldnt squander for no reason, that doesn't mean that all other lebanese must accept it as holy for that particular reason.

و لكن لم نطلب من اي لبناني ان يعتبر سلاح الحزب الهي فهذه وجهة نظر الحزب فقط و ليس من المطلوب تعميمها

i for one have no problem right now with it, but i do understand the stress it is causing the other party. My only point being here is that they are being unreasonable with their exacerbated fears turned phobias and the way they are portraying this as a black and white matter as the acts that they pull off themselves are way worse than any condition that could arise from hizbullah.

الرجاء التوضيح, اين اخطأ الحزب هنا؟

for instance, with hizbullah we got the mou to start defining the role of the arms, with them we got armed anarchist salafist militias in beirut and trablus while they demand that hizbullah puts down his arms, that's an oxymoron.

اعتقد ان هذا السؤال يجب ان يوجه الى المملكة يا اخي. وثيقة التفاهم بدأت بالخطوط العريضة لحلحلة العقد و لكن من صوب السلاح الى صدر الشيعة قضى على ما تبقى من ثقة بين الحزب و الشباطيين

with hizbullah, we got probable route of discourse in the mou concerning unresolved matters, with them we got constant accusations of treachery and backstabbing and endless weirdness.

لنعمل سوية على هذا التقارب "خاصة على صعيد القاعدة الشعبية" و ندعهم يندبون صباحاً و مسائاً

with hizbullah, we got an agreement that lebanon and syria should have normal relationships and embassies, for the others that only apply as long as there is an alawaite man in power in syria, as soon as that fact is gone, 3abd al halim al khadam can act vis-a-vis lebanon like hafez al assaad did and they would not be complaining.

الازمة اللبنانية السورية بدأت تنتهي مع اقتراب الانتخابات و احساس جنبلاط بما يخطط له الاميركيين بدأت تتفكك التركيبة المفبركة للشباطيين و لكن: انا اشعر ان سوريا تريد ان تسجل نقاطا في قضية المفقودين مما سيضر بصورة ميشال عون بدل ان يفيده... اما خدام... فليس صالحا للخدمة بعد الان

it's all messed up, i understand their fear, but it is misplaced and worse they are the cause of greater fear than hizbullah could possibly be in the near future.
For in the end, we don't have dozens of hizbullah offices in achrafieh and metn and jounieh... We have dozens and dozens of future movements offices there.
As for the lf fear, they are insane, i don't bother with understanding their phobias.

ما تقوله عن المجعجعين غير صحيح فهذا ليس خوف بل هذه عمالة

[jamez29]

Originally Posted by Mar1K

اورشليم مهد المسيح اصبحت للمسلمين
شكراً

this is a racist statement but also not true because the Muslims are a minority there its a Jewish land now

[Tayyar Keserwen]

Originally Posted by Mar1K

[الازمة اللبنانية السورية بدأت تنتهي مع اقتراب الانتخابات و احساس جنبلاط بما يخطط له الاميركيين بدأت تتفكك التركيبة المفبركة للشباطيين و لكن: انا اشعر ان سوريا تريد ان تسجل نقاطا في قضية المفقودين مما سيضر بصورة ميشال عون بدل ان يفيده... اما خدام... فليس صالحا للخدمة بعد الان[/size][/b][/right]

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Just a quick note:

the issue of Lebanese missing in Syrian jails is not a subject to score political points on. It's a matter of principle, national interest, and patriotism, regardless whether it suits any politician or Syria or not (which i couldn't give a flying horse's **** about).

regards

[Mar1K]

Originally Posted by tayyar keserwen

just a quick note:

The issue of lebanese missing in syrian jails is not a subject to score political points on. It's a matter of principle, national interest, and patriotism, regardless whether it suits any politician or syria or not (which i couldn't give a flying horse's **** about).

Regards

انا اوافقك الرأي فهذا خطأ. هذه مسألة انسانية و ليست لتسجيل اي نقاط فأقتضى التوضيح

انا أؤيد كلامك هنا

[elias-aj]

Originally Posted by Mar1K

Why Elias? HA's did put up a fight that the entire Arab armies "combined" were not able to show against the Zionist regime.

If that is not an asset for Lebanon what is an asset then?

I want to be honest Mar1K.

The weapons are of course a strategic asset for Lebanon as Israel does not understand anything else than the concept of "force". It is clear and I'm certainly not questionning it.

But we have to understand that there are some people who are worried about those weapons for such or another reason that I'm not going to develop here.

This is the reason why we should combine our priorities and treat the cause of those weapon's existence ASAP.

You know, I'm not talking about the loyalists leaders, their speaches and their positions. Yesterday they were praising those weapons ; today they are against it ; tomorrow they could either be OK with those weapons or even more against them ; anyway nothing really consistent.

I'm more afraid that if we don't move forward on this subject, there may be a more dangerous schism among the population which could lead towards a confrontation and destroy everything we're fighting for. Look at the situation now and consider our history. How is it easy for some feudal leader to manipulate people by playing with their fears. I still remember the way the lebanese population was manipulated during 15 years of civil war.

Unfortunately, the MOU's provisions haven't been precised and integrated in the Bayen Wizari. On a personal level, I think that it's a missed chance to positively move forward.

The next step will be the next elections, and I hope we won't miss the chance to start resolving our issues this time. Otherwise, Lebanon is doomed.

[Zayn]

Any enemy who is invading your air space deserves to be struck down. I am in Lebanon right now and if Israel were to invade this airspace, I would fully support any Hezbollah attack on the invading aircraft no matter the cost.

The Israelis need to be put in their place.