Define success using geagea's LF as an example....we want to laugh
Not going to Doha
Opening the airport road
not granting 1/3 veto power to the opposition
not allowing the 1960 bill
not allowing an army officer for the presidency
toppling lahoud through demonstrations
applying the 50% + 1 quorum
etc
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Wallaw ya J?
Who is shining the Syrian and Iranian boot at the expense of Lebanon? Ba3ed ilak 3ein ti7ki kamen?!! Unbelievable, the nerve of these people! He talks about shining boots and all you see is pictures of Khomeini and Assad in Da7ye and Baalbak!
hehe, if i am not mistaken, u LFers held american flags at many rallies latelly.
an honor i, as an fpm supporter, never had the privilege to carry .. hehe
of course not all lebanese.
but the question is what did those substantial others do to remedy the situation instead of aggravating it.
i dont think that what is happening in the north is the way to fix it.
i dont think that forming the quartet in 2005 to backstab half of it is aslo the way to fix things.
and finally, i dont think that passing a resolution at 5am in the morning by a broken goverment to outlaw the communication network of the Hizb is gonna in any way fix it.
and yeah, shedding crocodile tears as israel attacks as doesnt solve it.
if i had to choose between backstabbing/crocodile tears and katyousha
rockets i choose the latter.
but i don't want to do that choice, i want to start the discussion, i want the MoU and if possible something better.
Let us suppose that the parliamentarian majority steps you mentioned (regardless of the accuracy of you statements) are not good.
How was the MoU a guarantee regarding the weapons when:
1- HA was involved in operations outside lebanon , exactly in Iraq
2- HA used it weapons internally and invaded Beyrouth, Mount Lebanon, South Lebanon and was responsible for killing and terrorizing civilians.
and more what does the MoU stand regarding the use of this weapons if we admit that they cannot be removed objectively:
Is HA free to use those weapons as it wants without consulting other lebanese? How does that qualify as partnership? and more important how does that serve the interest of the lebanese state, the state of law that the MoU talks about?
It seems from the Declaration of FPM leadership that they decided to give a 'carte blanche' to HA which is destructive to the state (if there is anything left of it anyway after what the ex-opposition did). If what all the poetry in the MoU is correct, why didnt FPM and HA accept to put the weapons of HA under the authority of the executive power?
Let us suppose that the parliamentarian majority steps you mentioned (regardless of the accuracy of you statements) are not good.
How was the MoU a guarantee regarding the weapons when:
1- HA was involved in operations outside lebanon , exactly in Iraq
2- HA used it weapons internally and invaded Beyrouth, Mount Lebanon, South Lebanon and was responsible for killing and terrorizing civilians.
and more what does the MoU stand regarding the use of this weapons if we admit that they cannot be removed objectively:
Is HA free to use those weapons as it wants without consulting other lebanese? How does that qualify as partnership? and more important how does that serve the interest of the lebanese state, the state of law that the MoU talks about?
It seems from the Declaration of FPM leadership that they decided to give a 'carte blanche' to HA which is destructive to the state (if there is anything left of it anyway after what the ex-opposition did). If what all the poetry in the MoU is correct, why didnt FPM and HA accept to put the weapons of HA under the authority of the executive power?
what are u on about, go read the MoU in its proper context.
it's the first step in remedying this, not the last step.
it wasn't made exclusive, the old loyalists excluded themselves.
and don't tell me about hizbullah invading beyrouth, tell me about the "declaration of war" decisions that the old goverment took at 5am in the morning.
it's not nice poetry, it's a different context than the one u are used to seeing.
u want me to answer u all ur questions ? as if i could, this is why we need the MoU to evolve more instead of being daily subjected to cheap tonzir.
how do u plan to make hizbullah submit its arms ? by asking the international community to do it? don't cound on me then in this matter.
and lastely, i'm not pressed with the hizbullah matter, i'm pressed with fixing our issues with israel and syria. god knows we have real militias everywhere now especially in the north.
what are u on about, go read the MoU in its proper context.
it's the first step in remedying this, not the last step.
it wasn't made exclusive, the old loyalists excluded themselves.
and don't tell me about hizbullah invading beyrouth, tell me about the "declaration of war" decisions that the old goverment took at 5am in the morning.
it's not nice poetry, it's a different context than the one u are used to seeing.
u want me to answer u all ur questions ? as if i could, this is why we need the MoU to evolve more instead of being daily subjected to cheap tonzir.
how do u plan to make hizbullah submit its arms ? by asking the international community to do it? don't cound on me then in this matter.
and lastely, i'm not pressed with the hizbullah matter, i'm pressed with fixing our issues with israel and syria. god knows we have real militias everywhere now especially in the north.
I really dont know what to answer in your post, as it lacks arguments. 'war declaration decisions'? this is really elastic, if a government cannot take decisions on its soil, then why have it, let us just admit that we are under militia rule and avoid to have this decoration called government that is only made to stamp on the decisions that suit the strongest militia.
I didnt even suggest removing HA weapons at this stage, what i suggested is putting them under the authority of the lebanese state, something that FPM and HA both refused, i might understand it for HA because they have a foreign agenda and putting these arms under the authority of the lebanese state doesnt suit this regional agenda. But what is surprising is the position of FPM supposidely a defender of the state and whose leader in the past waged a war against the rule of militias (i dont think it is a solution before you jump at that), why is FPM supporting HA in being outside the authority of the state and thus being part of his regional agenda?
Finally, it is good that you admit that u cannot answer my questions, unfortunatly i am not like you, i try to search for answers, and dont put my faith in an unclear piece of paper, that was already torn apart, during beirut invasion, the use of weapons outside lebanese soil etc etc ...
I really dont know what to answer in your post, as it lacks arguments. 'war declaration decisions'? this is really elastic, if a government cannot take decisions on its soil, then why have it, let us just admit that we are under militia rule and avoid to have this decoration called government that is only made to stamp on the decisions that suit the strongest militia.
I didnt even suggest removing HA weapons at this stage, what i suggested is putting them under the authority of the lebanese state, something that FPM and HA both refused, i might understand it for HA because they have a foreign agenda and putting these arms under the authority of the lebanese state doesnt suit this regional agenda. But what is surprising is the position of FPM supposidely a defender of the state and whose leader in the past waged a war against the rule of militias (i dont think it is a solution before you jump at that), why is FPM supporting HA in being outside the authority of the state and thus being part of his regional agenda?
Finally, it is good that you admit that u cannot answer my questions, unfortunatly i am not like you, i try to search for answers, and dont put my faith in an unclear piece of paper, that was already torn apart, during beirut invasion, the use of weapons outside lebanese soil etc etc ...
u read my reply in an out of context fashion like u understand things in an out of context fashion it seems also.
dont mistake my humility for ignorance and don't give others sermons about what u urself learned from sources. that's just childish.
as for my arguments not making sense, well what can i say, it's all in the eye of the beholder ultimately.
but u remind me of that shallow gulf mentality i experienced.
"why don't they obey the state??" many ask of the shias there as the state treats them as third grade citizens that must worship the sunni king without job opportunities nor rights and as they nationalize ppl from other countries to “even” the demographics as they like to put it.
it's that logic i like that u seem to exhibit, why have a state u say?
u assume buddy that ur state is absolute and somehow godly when u say that.
the state is there to get served by the ppl and not vice vera??
an unfair state begets trouble.
so instead of giving out a shallow argument like that, try to fix the root of the matter.
since u are and "educated" chap that knows how to read, i'm sure u'd get there
someday.
and finally, don’t follow that long trim line of ppl that purports to “know” how fpm should politically act while they detest its guts.
let fpm act its way according to its dynamics and u are free to follow or oppose that, but not give out sermons of how fpm should be while u are not a part of it.
that’s just fascit mentality at its finest.
u assume i worship gma and follow blindly, all i can say is that ur assumption is defective and rescinded back to u.
translation:
"israel":the deployment of AA is a "red line".
let me interprete:
"israel":we shall continue bombing you from above and trying to stop that is a "red line".you must just keep on receiving the bombs from the air and keep your mouth shut and your hands tied!!!!!!!!!!!!
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u read my reply in an out of context fashion like u understand things in an out of context fashion it seems also.
dont mistake my humility for ignorance and don't give others sermons about what u urself learned from sources. that's just childish.
as for my arguments not making sense, well what can i say, it's all in the eye of the beholder ultimately.
but u remind me of that shallow gulf mentality i experienced.
"why don't they obey the state??" many ask of the shias there as the state treats them as third grade citizens that must worship the sunni king without job opportunities nor rights and as they nationalize ppl from other countries to even the demographics as they like to put it.
it's that logic i like that u seem to exhibit, why have a state u say?
u assume buddy that ur state is absolute and somehow godly when u say that.
the state is there to get served by the ppl and not vice vera??
an unfair state begets trouble.
so instead of giving out a shallow argument like that, try to fix the root of the matter.
since u are and "educated" chap that knows how to read, i'm sure u'd get there
someday.
and finally, dont follow that long trim line of ppl that purports to know how fpm should politically act while they detest its guts.
let fpm act its way according to its dynamics and u are free to follow or oppose that, but not give out sermons of how fpm should be while u are not a part of it.
thats just fascit mentality at its finest.
u assume i worship gma and follow blindly, all i can say is that ur assumption is defective and rescinded back to u.
I really dont know what the unfair situation of Shias in some gulf countries has to do with what we are talking about, u seem to absolutely want to link the issue of HA to regional considerations.
As for lebanon, well i dont see at Shias in a bad position, i mean look , the political representatives of the majority of shias, seem to have the upper hand in everything in the country which is expectable given the weaponry they have and given the fact they use it in internal political struggle.
And if you are making the assumption that HA has it weapons to get a more fair share for the shias, let then HA open this debate and say that those weapons are for this share, i think we might be able to reach a solution, but i highly doubt it is the reason. But again this assumption doesnt explain at all the position of FPM which as a lebanese citizen i am allowed to question, at least till now, until Hezb and apparently FPM decide to go back to the syrian habbits.
Finally about your last sentence, i didnt mention anything about you worshipping Aoun, but as the famous lebanese proverb says: halli ta7t batou msalli btin3arou.
7th August 2008
