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[tsedek]

Originally Posted by Mar1K

You planned it and you started it and we kicked your a**

We kidnap whoever we want to defend our land and free our prisonners and we really could not care any less what anyone else think of our action

Originally Posted by GMA forever

Tsedek it is cute to find that you believe our Lebanese prime minister more than your own israeli one.

Last year, 2007, your prime minister Ehud Olmert stated that the July war was being prepared regardless of Hizballa kidnapping the 2 soldiers. The act itself just influenced the timing of the war. But it was going to happen anyway. These are all, Olmert's words of course.

I'm sorry, this is something 'personal' but I still don't get anything that fits logically out of you two (no insult intended, just an observation that leaves me surprised) -

Sure - Israel planned a war IF and WHEN the Hizb would ATTACK. Which it did. So that makes it even more ridiculous because why start a war if you know there is going to be one? Don't you care about your own population in Lebanon enough to be willing to sacrifice them for the sole reason of ... (of what really?).

[tsedek]

You are -in principle- asking here from a country that IS attacked to care more about the Lebanese population than your own leaders do. I find that very strange because in 'war' the main 'objects' fighting each other are each other's enemies, and still you want israel, as your enemy to care about 'you' while being under attack....

honestly, please be honest, don't you think that is even a little bit weird?

[Kasparov]

Originally Posted by tsedek

Socio-Economic injustice 7 6.09%
Israeli aggression 49 42.61%
Palestinian settlement 35 30.43%
All of the above 25 21.74%
None of the above 35 30.43%
Other 5 4.35%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 115.
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"Israeli aggression 49 42.61%"
that's really strange, because I believe the hizballah is the REASON for the israeli aggression. (if and when there is aggression) - without hizballah there would be none....

So Israel invaded lebanon in 1982 to eliminate HA ?

[Mar1K]

Originally Posted by tsedek

I'm sorry, this is something 'personal' but I still don't get anything that fits logically out of you two (no insult intended, just an observation that leaves me surprised) -

Sure - Israel planned a war IF and WHEN the Hizb would ATTACK. Which it did. So that makes it even more ridiculous because why start a war if you know there is going to be one? Don't you care about your own population in Lebanon enough to be willing to sacrifice them for the sole reason of ... (of what really?).

Listen, let me make it very clear to you and everyone else.

I will tell you what i believe in with all honesty and in Arabic it's called "بلا لف و دوران" that is straight to the point.

Mods: this is not inflamatory, this is what i and "most" shiite believe in.

Between me and you, there is no talks, there's only bullets and war !

You occupy a Holy land, and you killed Lebanese (Muslims and Christians) and for that you shall pay.

You have no right to exist on that land, and we will make sure that you leave.

I can assure you that everytime u move a finger, the resistance will move a hand.

You can make fun of anything you want, eventually, actions speak louder than words.

The most important thing is that you will leave my land by force and I will be there everytime you think of Lebanon.

Period, end of discussion with the Israely

[Moussaan]

Originally Posted by tsedek

so you agree the hizb kidnapped 2 soldiers and started a war?

You are really a pain, Israel was a peaceful neighbor and HA decided to attack and kidnapped 2 soldiers without any reason?

Pity !

[Salome]

Originally Posted by tsedek

so you agree the hizb kidnapped 2 soldiers and started a war?

ah but this war is here eons ago, who can still remember who started what? Now and then some groups claim they are fighting for a cause, to liberate this or that, to revenge this or that etc.... some claim they are building a free nation. Freedom, nation state, democracy are not meant for the east maybe.
As this is the tribal wild east, we still live by the law of Hammurabi.

[elias-aj]

Originally Posted by tsedek

Socio-Economic injustice 7 6.09%
Israeli aggression 49 42.61%
Palestinian settlement 35 30.43%
All of the above 25 21.74%
None of the above 35 30.43%
Other 5 4.35%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 115.
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"Israeli aggression 49 42.61%"
that's really strange, because I believe the hizballah is the REASON for the israeli aggression. (if and when there is aggression) - without hizballah there would be none....

Tsedek,

You, as an israeli, consider that HA is the reason for the israeli aggression. Lebanese consider HA as a strategic asset because it is a deterrent force against Israel.

If people want to resolve the issues existing between Israel and Lebanon, they have to understand and treat the cause of this situation.

Resolving the conflict between Israel and Lebanon - and disarming HA - implies a juxtaposition of rights.

Unfortunately, your government hasn't for now adopted this line of conduct and focus on the consequences rather than on the cause of the conflict, which prevent both countries from finding a common ground.

I invite you to reconsider the situation : what would you think / do if you were lebanese right now ? Disarming the only deterrent force you have whereas a part of your country is still occupied and you still haven't recovered all of your rights ?

On a personal level, I believe that once the cause of our conflict is treated, the reason why HA's weapons exist will disappear. But if Israel demands that Lebanon disarms HA without giving it back its territories and its rights, it means that Israel wants to control Lebanon or something else that may be related to the lebanese's water resources may be ?

Well, really, are we all that fool not to understand that the cause of our conflict can be resolved in a matter of weeks, provided that both parties show a minimum level of good will and respect ?

[roeshieroe23]

Originally Posted by tsedek

i'm sorry, this is something 'personal' but i still don't get anything that fits logically out of you two (no insult intended, just an observation that leaves me surprised) -

sure - israel planned a war if and when the hizb would attack. Which it did. So that makes it even more ridiculous because why start a war if you know there is going to be one? don't you care about your own population in lebanon enough to be willing to sacrifice them for the sole reason of ... (of what really?).

لسببين بسيطين لو فكرت مليا فيهما ستعرف السبب :
-التوقيت : اختيار التوقيت المناسب الذي يجنب اسرائيل مع التحكم بعامل التوقيت االتي تري فيه على أنها على أتم الجهوزية, و يجعل الإسرائيلي يتحكم في عامل الوقت
-عامل المفاجأة و المباغثة : تجنب هذا العامل المهم الذي يجنب االمقاومة أن يهاجمنا العدو و هي في حالة تراخي, أو اصطياد قياديها على غفلة و هم في أسرتهم

[Ashrafieh_101]

Originally Posted by Mar1K

So far 29.20 % Think that HA is not protecting them from those reasons or from anything.

Funny, I expected more than 29.20 %

I thought they are the majority

Success

You guys have a strange way of defining success! You get pummeled in a war and destroy half the country and kill 1200 people, yet you see it as success! And now on an FPM forum dominated by HA, about 1/3 of the people think HA doesn't protect it from anyone or anything! Wow this is a huge loss!

[Ashrafieh_101]

Originally Posted by Kasparov

So Israel invaded lebanon in 1982 to eliminate HA ?

No, to eliminate the PLO who were behaving like HA is today.