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[Lebanesegirl]

Originally Posted by mikeys71

There is absolutely nothing wrong with day dreaming.........

sometimes I wonder are u with the lebanese people(HA) or Israel!!! pity the nation 3a hek 3alam who prefer the enemy over their own people!! tfehhhh wel baz2a ktir 3laykoun

[Aoun4lebanon]

In a nutshell

الوزير سماحة: من لا يعجبه لبنان القوي بمقاومته فليبحث عن بلد ضعيف

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[mikeys71]

Originally Posted by 4U2IMI8

فيه مثل لبناني بيئول، يللي بيعرف بيعرف ويللي ما بيعرف بيئول كف عدس.... سامع فيه ؟ عكل حال جوابك ما بيدل الا عن حرقة قلبك انت وغيرك، هيهات منا الذلة

No, just hit me with some stats. When was the last time that you know of, or you can remember that a US made jet fighter was brought down with an Iranian weapon???

[joseph_lubnan]

Originally Posted by roeshieroe23

سأناقشك في ههذا الأمر طالما آنت مصر , و خصوصا علاقة التيار بهذا الأمر .
حزب الله أذا أراد إن يدافع عن إيران في أي هجوم عسكري على إيران , لا أنت و لا أنا و لا التيار و لا البيان الوزاري و لا أي شيء يمنعه, جيد!!!

I agree. And Iran's Representatives agree as well as you can see from their statements in the articles above. They are clearly indicating that If they are attacked HA will respond from the south of Lebanon.

أذن االمعني بهذا الأمر هو حزب الله, تفاهمه مع التيار واضح ليس فيه أي بند يعطيه الحق الدفاع عن إيران و هو وقع على هذا الأمر و التزم به و حدود التفاهم معروفة , طيب, البيان الوزاري لم يعطه الحق الدفاع عن إيران و حدود مقاومته معروفة, و مشى في البيان و الحكومة ستأخد الثقة على هذا البيان, جيد

HA can easily use any old excuse to launch an operation. They will say it is "for the sake of Lebanon" and in accordance with the Bayen Wizari, but in fact it can be a response to any action against Iran.

لم يقل أي مسؤول رفيع من حزب الله إنهم سيدافعون عن إيران إذا هوجمت , و كل خطابهم عن تحرير ما تبقى من الأراضي اللبنانية و وقف الخروق و التعديات و الإستراتيجية الدفاعية
ما قاله الإيراني أن حل المشكل النووي سيحل عدة مشاكل في المنطقة و هذا شيء معروف لأنه هناك كباش و صراع سياسي في المنطقة و حل المشاكل العالقة سيخفف من هذا الصراع , الموجود في العراق و لبنان و فلسطين و أماكن أخرى, و هل أحد أنكر هذا الأمر بدون إطلاعنا على تصريح الإيراني لأن الأمريكي يستعمل حلفاؤه في المنطقة و الإيراني كذلك و لولا ذلك لما شاهدنا كل هذه الأزمات و لما ارتفع سعر البترول و و و, و أي حل للمشكل الهم في المنطقة سيحلحل التشنج
ممكن تسقط نفس التصريح على أي مسؤول آخر غير إيراني , مصري أو سعودي أو تركي و ستفهم معنى التصريح

If you read the rest of the articles you will find that Iranian officials didnt only link HA with the nuclear weapons, they clearly said that The Shiites in the South of Lebanon will respond in case Iran is attacked.

في الأخير العلاقة بين الحزب و التيار قائمة علي الثقة و الإلتزام و التفاهم, و بنوده واضحة و محددة و الطرفين وقعا و صادقا عليها و أي علاقة لبناء الوطن تقوم على التفاهم و الثقة و ليس التخويف و التخوين و الضغط, نحن نرى في حزب االله شريك في الوطن و ليس غرباء أو أداة أو دمية..,
و كما قال وزير الدفاع الأمريكي نحن لسنا في مسرح للدمى
إذا أنتم تنظرون لحزب الله بهذه الصورة لما تحاورونه, لماذا توافقون على دخوله الحكومة, لماذا تحاورونه في البيان الوزاري و تعطونه حق المقاومة, يعني في 2005 لم يكن ليدافع عن إيران ? أم أنه مسموح أن يتفق مع الحزب في البيان الوزاري لتكوين السلطة و ليس مسموحا به بين القوى الكبرى للتفاهم لبناء الوطن و الشراكة
حزب الله معروف أين يوجد , و ههناك طريقان كل واحد يختار الذي ييراه إنسب , من يريد وطن الشراكة و الثقة بين أبناء الوطن لبناء الوطن سوية, و هذا طريق الذي سلكه التيار اتفق فيه مع الطرف اللبناني الآخر و قربوا وجهات النظر و اتفقوا ووقعوا و التزموا
إذا لا تثقون و لا تريدون التفاهم و لا تريدون العيش المشترك و تعتبرونهم ثلث االشعب أداة و دمية, طريقهم معروف, اذهبوا و انزعوا سلاحهم إذا استطعتم و أرموهم في البحر, و ترتاحون و تريحيننا من نقكم و تريحون الآخرين

هذا الطريق لا نعرفه, و كل واحد يعرف ما يناسبه
التفاهم مع الحزب معروف و ملتزم به و سائر إلى الأمام و أعطى ثماره و مازلنا سالكين الطريق الذي نعرفه, إذا نجح و نجحت رؤية الجنرال فسيعود بالنفع على كل الناس و على الوطن , إذا لا سمح الله لم ينجح , فسنعتبر أن رؤيتنا لم تنجح و نتنحى , و يكفينا فخرا إننا حاولنا و لم نبق جالسين ننق ك.... و ننتظر الحل , سيبقى رأسنا مرفوعا أننا طلاب حلول و سعاة خير و مبادرات, و لسنا ممن يبكي على الأطلال إنما أناس ذو رؤى تصيب و تخطئ و نبقى راضين عن أنفسنا أمام الأجيال القادمة إن نجحنا نفتخر بإنجازنا و نفتخر أننا أسسنا للوطن الحديث الدولة القوية القادرة العادلة لكل أبنائها, و إذا لم ننجح , نفتخر بإنجازنا أننا حاولنا و لم ننبقى ننق و نبكي و نتوجس , و يبقى أن تحاول, أصبت أم أخطأت خير من أن لم تفعل أي شيء, و إذا سألنا أولادنا نقول بكل فخر أننا حاولنا و لم ننجح, لكن الآخرين مماذا ستقولون, كنا ننق على الآخرين لماذا كانوا يحاولون إيجاد الحلول, و إذا سألوكم ماذا قدمتم أنتم, لا شيء شعارات شعارات شعارات

ما أنت خائف منه يا صديقي , سهل على الحزب سواء كان في الحكومة أو خارجها , لا تصريحات 14 آذار و لا غير ذلك ما تمنعه إنما إرادته الخاصة, الصعب هو أن تتفاهم معه و تعطيه التقة و تجعله لا يفعلها بالتفاهم , و تجعله شريك في الوطن , و تجعله ملتزم أمام نفسه و أمام الناس بالتفاهم
إذا أراد الحزب الدفاع عن إيران لا شيء يستطيع منعه إذا أراد ذلك, المهم كيف تجعل هذه الإرادة عنده مع لبنان و مع شركاؤه في الوطن , هناك طريقان, التفاهم أو المواجهة, من يرى أن المصلحة في هذا الطريق أو ذلك فليسلكه, المعيب أن لا تسلك أي طريق و ترمي من يسلكه بالحجارة و و تنتظر الحلول كما هو حال مسيحيو 14 آذار, يريدون الدولة و الجيش و لا يريدون مقاومة و لا يطرحون أي حل أو بديل, فقط إنزعوا سلاح حزب االله و حطموا الجنرال عون
لا يريدون توطين و لا يطرحون كيف يمنعونه
المهم ماذا لو لم ييكن أصلا أي حرب, هل ستبحتون عن فزاعة أخرى تخيفون بها االناس, ليش مشكلا أن تقولو هذا, المهم ااطرحوا حلا أو رؤية له و ابتعدوا عن الن[/right][/size][/b]ق

I do not approve the Loyalists stand with regard to HA, I didn't approve of it in 2005 and do not approve of it today, and I disagree with the current Bayen Wizari and in fact I have strong reservations on the participation of a foreign funded and and armed militia (HA) in the government and elections. You can read the this thread's opener if you would like to understand the position I advocate with regard to the HA weapons. In fact I agree with GMA's original position on this issue before he flip flopped for political gains.

[4U2IMI8]

Originally Posted by mikeys71

No, just hit me with some stats. When was the last time that you know of, or you can remember that a US made jet fighter was brought down with an Iranian weapon???

I’m not here to defend, nor to argue, I’m merely stating facts. You can believe or as you’re doing doubt that even the sun will rise tomorrow.
There used to be a Tank called the Mirkava, it was supposed to be unstoppable by any weapon as it was equipped with a technology that detects incoming rounds against it and its counter defense mechanism explode these rounds way before they got to the tank itself. It was also equipped with armor that was suppose to not allow anything to penetrate the hull of the tank. The best in the world it was called. That tank was made a mockery of in a place called south Lebanon, by a bunch of “terrorists”.
There was also a ship in the sea, that ship was also equipped with a star war like shield protecting it from any threat be it by air or sea, that ship was also made a mockery of by the same “terrorists” in the waters of a country called Lebanon.
There was also a country called Israel that possessed missiles that were suppose to intercept any missile launched against it, that country was made a mockery of by the same **** “terrorists” as their missiles slammed into that country at rates unheard of.
That same country had groups of elite soldiers, the best in the world they were called, most of those elite soldiers are now in psychiatric wards in the unbeatable country called Israel, put there by the same bunch of “terrorists” that refused to believe everything they heard about how that country is unbeatable.
What’s next you ask? There will be airplanes falling from the skies of Lebanon, but hey these airplanes are unstoppable because no “terrorist” can match their power and awesomeness.
Have a great life.

[mikeys71]

Originally Posted by 4U2IMI8

I’m not here to defend, nor to argue, I’m merely stating facts. You can believe or as you’re doing doubt that even the sun will rise tomorrow.
There used to be a Tank called the Mirkava, it was supposed to be unstoppable by any weapon as it was equipped with a technology that detects incoming rounds against it and its counter defense mechanism explode these rounds way before they got to the tank itself. It was also equipped with armor that was suppose to not allow anything to penetrate the hull of the tank. The best in the world it was called. That tank was made a mockery of in a place called south Lebanon, by a bunch of “terrorists”.
There was also a ship in the sea, that ship was also equipped with a star war like shield protecting it from any threat be it by air or sea, that ship was also made a mockery of by the same “terrorists” in the waters of a country called Lebanon.
There was also a country called Israel that possessed missiles that were suppose to intercept any missile launched against it, that country was made a mockery of by the same **** “terrorists” as their missiles slammed into that country at rates unheard of.
That same country had groups of elite soldiers, the best in the world they were called, most of those elite soldiers are now in psychiatric wards in the unbeatable country called Israel, put there by the same bunch of “terrorists” that refused to believe everything they heard about how that country is unbeatable.
What’s next you ask? There will be airplanes falling from the skies of Lebanon, but hey these airplanes are unstoppable because no “terrorist” can match their power and awesomeness.
Have a great life.

i agree with you on the Mirkava tank. Its reputation suffered big time that caused few countries to halt some buy orders.
As for the missiles you know and I know that Patriot can effectively intercept missiles but Katushya are considered fire craker. They are so small in size and cant damage much it will be stupid to send a multi million dollar patriot to intercept. It cost way much less to repair the damage.
And as for the ship that did not sink it was simply a shot in the dark.
Now for the US made jets until someone can surprise us with a wonder weapon (Sam 7 - 9 in 1973 ) or similar you, me, ha, And all the might of Iran will never be able protect the skys nor we can enter their airspace.

[Les Taire]

Originally Posted by 4U2IMI8

Israel is giving new meanings to the terms hypocrisy and arrogance. They will not allow any neighboring country to match their military strength, or even come close to it. I have news for them and all the Lebanese who want to disarm HA.
HA’s strength today exceeds that of Israel’s in a conventional confrontation between the two. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of the ability to use weapons to maximize their intended effects. Israel is getting very restless; the US backed off trying to get rid of HA, and at the same time HA has gained weapons that will shake Israel’s existence in case it tries to venture into Lebanon like it did in 2006.
Very few understand the abilities of HA, some of my previous posts carried hints of what’s in store for Israel in case another war erupts.
In 2006 HA possessed weapons that could’ve drastically altered the war, the use of those weapons was deemed not necessary at the time. HA knew that the war was not a decisive one and to reveal what they had would give Israel the advantage in the next round. HA used enough weapons to shock the Israelis and their masters in the US. HA also knew that they could hold their ground, preventing the IDF from establishing a foothold on Lebanese ground. HA hardly used any of its vast resources in the July war, be it human or military. One brigade only was doing the actual fighting while others were on standby in case they were needed. Less than 5000 fighters participated in that war against the 50,000 Israel massed against HA.
Israel did not learn as much as we did from the July war. We now know exactly how to defeat them, and this time around they will be begging for mercy.
In the last war test incursions were done to study the feasibility of infiltrating the border and occupying towns in northern Palestine. The incursions were a complete success; towns were completely taken and occupied for periods of time than withdrawn from.
The advantage that Israel has over us is the air force. When that threat is eliminated, and stopped at its tracks, the Israeli defense will fall like domino pieces. That threat has been eliminated, and could’ve been in 2006. Israel and the US know that very well.
We will not give Israel any excuse to launch a war, but they will find one and they will attack. All I can say is prepare yourselves to be awed at the abilities of the few thousand dedicated, unknown men who seek nothing but the chance to defend their land and honor.

Wait a sec......wait if Israel returns the Chebaa (peacefully) and your HA does not relinquish their weapons (like they promised under the MoU) and a war breaks out, and there is no occupation of Lebanese lands?

Then they would be fighting for Muslim lands, rather then lebanese, no?

Hezbollah has made it clear that "Lebanon needs the Islamic resitance) even after the Chebaa is returned peacefully (which it will be, i predict sooner then later......)

[dodzi]

Originally Posted by Les Taire

Wait a sec......wait if Israel returns the Chebaa (peacefully) and your HA does not relinquish their weapons (like they promised under the MoU) and a war breaks out, and there is no occupation of Lebanese lands?

Then they would be fighting for Muslim lands, rather then lebanese, no?

Hezbollah has made it clear that "Lebanon needs the Islamic resitance) even after the Chebaa is returned peacefully (which it will be, i predict sooner then later......)

The MoU doesn't state that Hezbollah would relinquish its weapons. The MoU suggests that once Lebanese territory is sovereign, the Lebanese, represented by their leaders, should discuss those weapons, to create a strategy of defense, where Hezbollahs militia would integrate the army. Their fighters would become part of a special unit in the army... Hezbollah is much more equipped and efficient to resist an invasion...

Why? Because you can't ever be sure another invasion won't happen. At least with that strategy of defense, the decision of war won't be in the hands of Hezbollah, but in that of the army!

[Mar1K]

Originally Posted by mikeys71

As for the missiles you know and I know that Patriot can effectively intercept missiles but Katushya are considered fire craker.

Patriot intercept large missiles (SCUD-B +) effectivly, it all depends on locating the lunch, calculating the projectile, the speed, ETA and so on.
With smaller missiles and just below that load Patriot will have A LOT of problems intercepting anything

They are so small in size and cant damage much it will be stupid to send a multi million dollar patriot to intercept. It cost way much less to repair the damage.

And they keep Israeli's in shelters

And as for the ship that did not sink it was simply a shot in the dark.

We'll give it another go with a larger head this time and let's see how it goes.

Now for the US made jets until someone can surprise us with a wonder weapon (Sam 7 - 9 in 1973 ) or similar you, me, ha, And all the might of Iran will never be able protect the skys nor we can enter their airspace.

SAM - 7??? who's using that ??? try the modified Thor - M1. I guess in this matter you have to wait, you can not predict until you see what will shoot down that Hornet

[4U2IMI8]

Originally Posted by Les Taire

Wait a sec......wait if Israel returns the Chebaa (peacefully) and your HA does not relinquish their weapons (like they promised under the MoU) and a war breaks out, and there is no occupation of Lebanese lands?

Then they would be fighting for Muslim lands, rather then lebanese, no?

Hezbollah has made it clear that "Lebanon needs the Islamic resitance) even after the Chebaa is returned peacefully (which it will be, i predict sooner then later......)

Hate sometimes makes people delirious.
They start Iffing just to find a vent to justify their emotions.
Here’s an example: If I were an LF’er I would kill myself. See how easy it is to “if” and how a solution is always readily available for iffing?
“If” away and someone will “then” you, but not me.