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Bala el ra2ees kello. If opposition are going to keep using this logic where one side has to offer concessions in order to elect a President, then let's just skip electing a President altogether. Taef says the government takes over when there's a Presidential void, and that's what happened. PM Sanyoura looks awesome and things couldn't be better.

Let M8 cool down and think it over. In the end they'll stop trying to force anything on you and agree to go to the elections without conditions.

If not, read above, Sanyoura is still looking great.
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PS: It is the Lebanese government that is responsible for the LA, not the Syrian government...
And the Syrian control was not a natural disaster for people to resign to it, it is a conscious choice to support it as some have, or resist it as others did.
Yes but in the Taef accord, the syrians have agreed on helping the lebanese army and arming it, not to mention gradually withrawing from lebanon.
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Bala el ra2ees kello. If opposition are going to keep using this logic where one side has to offer concessions in order to elect a President, then let's just skip electing a President altogether. Taef says the government takes over when there's a Presidential void, and that's what happened. PM Sanyoura looks awesome and things couldn't be better.

Let M8 cool down and think it over. In the end they'll stop trying to force anything on you and agree to go to the elections without conditions.

If not, read above, Sanyoura is still looking great.
Boy do you have low standards.
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Yes but in the Taef accord, the syrians have agreed on helping the lebanese army and arming it, not to mention gradually withrawing from lebanon.
How exactly would that change the fact that the Lebanese government is the one in charge of the army?

And to follow your logic which alludes to the fact that the Syrian government breached the Taef accord, don't you think that the Lebanese government should have at least complained that the Syrian army did not leave 2 years after Taef? Whose responsibility is that?
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The fact that he is lebanese who represent a HUGE part of the lebanese population gives him every right to have a say in the weapons.
The fact that he is a Saudi citizen who will choose KSA over Lebanon,and will side against the resistance in times of war,and constantly asks the resistance to drop their weapons while he refuses .like his father,to equip the LA with proper means of defense,which has only for effect to weaken Lebanon and make him an easy prey to external aggressions,gives him the right to sit back and relax.

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And again RH and him have legislated the resistance, he gave in more than any other politician in the country.
And his son is now destroying all that.Congratulations.

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Regarding the LA, the government made some weapons deals with the US, they arent much but thats what our poor country is capable of.
Correction.

We are a very rich country.We can pay 8 billions the price of an electricity plant and installations,that are worth only few hundreds of millions.We have so much money to throw away.

But not one cent on the LA,knowing that we are in a constant state of war.

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PS: the LA has been under syrian control for 15 years, why didnt they properly arm it and make it ready as they have promised? Why did they only arm HA?
You might ask RH and WJ and their Syrian allies who were in charge of the Lebanese district, why not much efforts were made to equip and train the LA.

Do you have enough sense of accountability to do that or is democracy too hard for you to handle?
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If you start another war with Israel, which brings harm upon me, then I will consider you no different than the Israeli, if not a bit worse.
I thought i was the one who was being harmed . So, does your logic imply that Israel is harming you more than me? And if war erupts with Israel, then you're going to be hurt more than me? Baffling logic.

And enough of that old "start a war" tune, it's getting too lame and even more ridiculous.
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How exactly would that change the fact that the Lebanese government is the one in charge of the army?

And to follow your logic which alludes to the fact that the Syrian government breached the Taef accord, don't you think that the Lebanese government should have at least complained that the Syrian army did not leave 2 years after Taef? Whose responsibility is that?
Things werent this simple, such request would have lead the head of the lebanese government to the his grave... which has eventually happened
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Bala el ra2ees kello. If opposition are going to keep using this logic where one side has to offer concessions in order to elect a President, then let's just skip electing a President altogether. Taef says the government takes over when there's a Presidential void, and that's what happened. PM Sanyoura looks awesome and things couldn't be better.

Let M8 cool down and think it over. In the end they'll stop trying to force anything on you and agree to go to the elections without conditions.

If not, read above, Sanyoura is still looking great.
What part of "We made a huge concession and agreed on reliquishing GMA's candidacy and replacing it with a consensual candidate provided some clear terms" don't you get?

BTW,You still didn't answer my question.

What if Israel starts another war on Lebanon,which brings harm upon me,then,if you don't defend me since i don't have anymore weapons to do it myself,shall I consider you no different than the Israeli, if not a bit worse?
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What part of "We made a huge concession and agreed on reliquishing GMA's candidacy and replacing it with a consensual candidate provided some clear terms" don't you get?
Militant already gave you a perfect answer regarding that point. I have nothing to add to it.

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FM selected saniora not because they represent the sunna, but because they have allies with whom they form a majority.

I think the people who have a majority in the parliment have made a similar or even bigger concession when they gave up their candidates.
As for the Presidency it is a need for all the Lebanese. I won't give you any concessions in order to go elect a President. This includes the elections law and everything else. If you want a President, go elect one. Otherwise, PM Sanyoura is staying and looking better everyday.

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BTW,You still didn't answer my question.

What if Israel starts another war on Lebanon,which brings harm upon me,then,if you don't defend me since i don't have anymore weapons to do it myself,shall I consider you no different than the Israeli, if not a bit worse?
Reading your posts and seeing you call people traitors and Israeli, you personally I'd throw out my doorstep if Israel attacked and you came knocking, no offense.
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BTW, let's get this thread back on topic which has nothing to do with Presidential elections. The HA weapons are a much more important topic.
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