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[mount_amel]

Originally Posted by superduper703

Samir Kuntar:


Imad Moughaniey:


Criminals portrayed as heroes. This is Lebanon for you.

Alain bel Ain .. wal sin bel sin ..

I can write about the israeli massacers starting with der yassine and on ...

Dont be fooled by thier propoganda , sharon was given peace prize sometime in the 1990s for him helping in massacering 1800 palastneians ..

[4U2IMI8]

Originally Posted by superduper703

Samir Kuntar:


Imad Moughaniey:


Criminals portrayed as heroes. This is Lebanon for you.

See them as you wish, Haj Mougneye and Samir Kuntar are heroes to us. We will celebrate Kuntar’s return to his country and family as a hero. W yalle mish m3ajbou yfel aw ydalou be baytou yba3be3 3al internet.

[Pringles]

Originally Posted by superduper703

Samir Kuntar:


Imad Moughaniey:


Criminals portrayed as heroes. This is Lebanon for you.

You are just repeating the israeli version here and only this shows us how "nationalist " you are and how "trustful" your sources are.

I prefer to let you doing some searches maybe you'll see the real side of the story and maybe you'll stop to "hunt" an israeli propaganda..

[joseph_lubnan]

Now that the government formation is imminent, what would you like to see in the Bayen Wizari regarding the HA weapons issue?

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan

Vego, it is more about questioning, challenging, and scrutinizing. And yes the issue of principles on this topic brings out a lot of challenges and question marks vis-a-vis FPM because many believe that it is not taking a principled position on the topic anymore. It is also about discussing disarmament, the single most important thing for Lebanon's future.

As to the Bayen Wizari you are obviously reluctant from answering the question or discussing the topic. Why?

Doesn't FPM want to address the Hezbollah arms issue within the context of the government and the state? Now that FPM plans to be in the government and not in the opposition wouldn't it make sense to start clarifying the steps towards disarmament? Do you FPMers agree with such the Hezbollah position below, and is it in line with your plans for the country? I think such a position in this newly to-be-formed government would be against the intent of the famed MOU as many FPMers have tried to describe it here in the forum. What would FPMers like to see in the Bayen Wizari regarding the HA arms? Would you be willing to elaborate on the MOU by adding concrete steps in the Bayen Wizari? Or is it all empty talk and capitulation to HA?


From naharnet:
شرط جديد لحزب الله: تبني البيان الوزاري لسلاح المقاومة

في وقت يتبادل الرؤساء ميشال سليمان ونبيه بري وفؤاد السنيورة الاقتراحات الخاصة بتوزيع الحقائب الوزارية لايجاد مخرج للازمة الحكومية، دخل حزب الله على الخط واعاد الامور الى نقطة الصفر باشتراطه تضمين البيان الوزاري نصاً واضحاً عن تبني المقاومة ودعمها معتبرا ان اثارة وضع مزارع شبعا تحت رعاية الأمم المتحدة في هذا الظرف ينال من سلاح المقاومة.

Originally Posted by elias-aj

Well, I'll give my personal opinion.

I want to see in the Bayen Wizari the principles set in the MOU regarding HA weapons so that we give it a legal ground.

I would eventually support any will to add concrete steps, depending on the solution to be chosen (ex. integration in the LA of HA's best fighters...to be discussed) and provided that we agree, in this Bayen Wizari :

1°/on the principle and on the mechanisms to disarm the palestinian factions within and outside the camps (Ahmad Jibril's thugs and Jund El Sham for instance must be immediately disarmed) ;
2°/ on the necessity to reinforce our Army and to implement a new and appropriate defence policy regarding this matter which means : clear definition of the role and the doctrine of the Army ; generalization of foreign training for the officers and the maghawir in France, Germany etc. ; improvement of the equipment ; reorganization of the units etc.

I don't know if many would agree with me but at least, you have the opinion of one FPM supporter.

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan

I agree with you. I think the Bayen should be clear on how collectively opposition and loyalists should move forward regarding the weapons. It cannot simply include a blanket support statement for the HA weapons like HA has indicated. I would add to your list, that the Bayen should indicate the will to pursue a diplomatic solution for Shebaa farms and the prisonners. The definition of the integration of some of HA in the army is also a rather sensitive issue that needs to be carefully approached. That integration cannot create an independent contingent indirectly controlled by any external entity be it external to the Lebanese governmental institutions or external to Lebanon. Integration should be clearly integration in a way that guarantees a clear control and command structure for the army and government on the HA fighters.

Originally Posted by elias-aj

Absolutely. I think we need a clear planning, objective conditions etc.



Of course.



This is indeed a really complex issue because no body really knows how HA - I mean HA military forces - is structured. I'm against the idea of a "special unit" or a sort of "HA fighters entity".

I'd rather support the integration of HA figthers in the existing units and depending on their specialization (some could join the special forces, other the artillery regiments etc.).

The idea is to strengthen the Army. If we just add an external entity, there won't be any "esprit de corps" whereas if HA fighters are integrated among other units, they will allow our Army to take profit from their know how and their competences.

In conclusion, what I'm expecting from our politicians is to make what's necessary to restore confidence as we won't be able to achieve anything otherwise.

[joseph_lubnan]

From Tayyar.org التقريــر اليومــي :

"
حل عقدة المعارضة يكشف خليط الأكثرية المتناقض وصراع الحقائب.الحريري يعود على عجل
وفريق الموالاة بدأ بزرع الألغام أمام البيان الوزاري
"

...."
بدا أن بعض أطراف الأكثرية بدأ في قصف مسبق يستهدف وضع العراقيل والتعقيدات أمام الخطوة التالية من عملية تأليف الحكومة، أي البيان الوزاري الموعود، تلميحاً وتصريحاً سواء بالنسبة إلى موضوع سلاح حزب الله، أو العلاقات مع سوريا، رغم أن الموضوعين متّفق عليهما ما يجعل من إثارتهما في هذه اللحظة من مسار تأليف الحكومة موضع تساؤلات كثيرة. يضاف إلى ذلك قضية مزارع شبعا التي دخل الرئيس المصري حسني مبارك على خطّها عبر الطلب إلى رئيس حكومة إسرائيل إيهود أولمرت بأنّ يكون حلّها محصوراً بالدولة اللبنانية وهو الأمر الذي رأى فيه المراقبون تقاطعاً واضحاً مع إستعجال بعض فرقاء الأكثرية، خصوصاً النائب السابق فارس سعيد، للتفاوض المباشر مع إسرائيل رغم أن هذا الموضوع لم يتضّح بعد، أقلّه في الوقت الراهن، خصوصاً أن الأمم المتّحدة تجري مفاوضات مع تلّ أبيب لحسم هذه المسألة.

"....

This is the closest comment from FPM on the subject of the Bayen wizari and the HA weapons, that I was able to find on Tayyar.org. What does it mean? Can anyone translate it to me?

[J. Abizeid]

(The issue of Hezbullah's arms must become again a matter of principle! )

Israel: Prisoner swap deal signed with Hezbollah - Yahoo! News
Israel: Prisoner swap deal signed with Hezbollah
JERUSALEM - Israel has signed an agreement to swap prisoners with the Lebanese Hezbollah guerrillas, according to a statement released Monday, as Israeli forces began digging up the bodies of Lebanese fighters to be exchanged in the deal.
The statement said the agreement was signed "in the presence of a U.N. representative." The Israelis say implementation of the deal depends on carrying out further steps, but it did not say what they are.
Israel approved the swap on June 29. Israel will hand over Samir Kantar, serving multiple life terms for a 1979 attack in Israel's north, as well as four Hezbollah prisoners and dozens of bodies of fighters. In return, Israel is to receive two soldiers captured by Hezbollah in a 2006 cross-border raid that set off a fierce 34-day war.
Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert declared the two soldiers dead before his Cabinet approved the deal, but Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah, who has not allowed Red Cross visits or given any sign that the two are alive, called the declaration "speculation."
Israeli military officials said the exchange is likely to take place between July 13-16. They spoke on condition of anonymity because final arrangements have not been made.
Kantar is serving multiple life sentences for one of the most gruesome attacks in Israeli history. He was convicted of shooting a policeman and then killing an Israeli man in front of his 4-year-old daughter before beating her to death. Kantar denies killing the girl. The Israeli man's wife accidentally smothered their 2-year-old daughter in an effort to keep her from crying out and disclosing their hiding place.
On Monday, the family of the police officer appealed to Israel's Supreme Court to block the exchange.
"Don't release Kantar. He is a despicable mass murderer, and Israel will be sorry in the end," the slain policeman's daughter, Keren Shahar, told reporters on Monday.
The court is not expected to intervene in the deal.
The military confirmed earlier that the process of exhuming bodies had begun at the Amiad cemetery for enemy combatants, not far from the Israel-Lebanon border. It was declared a closed military zone to prevent reporters from witnessing the process. The military rabbinate called up reservists to help with identifying the bodies before the exchange.
Channel 10 TV showed video of about a dozen workers in white protective suits digging in the cemetery, before a soldier put his hand in front of the camera lens and stopped the filming.

[Abou Sandal]

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan

This is the closest comment from FPM on the subject of the Bayen wizari and the HA weapons, that I was able to find on Tayyar.org. What does it mean? Can anyone translate it to me?

Poor Joseph,

You really think that you are holding on to something of any importance whatsoever do you?...

Here is a sample of what you're asking for:

"The resistance is a universal right edicted and protected by the human rights charter,the constitution of Lebanon and the actual laws in effect.The government is to abide by those high principles and natural rights and undertakes to engage itself in endorsing,defending and protecting the Lebanese resistance"

How is that for a governmental mission?

[Ashrafieh_101]

Originally Posted by Abou Sandal

Poor Joseph,

You really think that you are holding on to something of any importance whatsoever do you?...

Here is a sample of what you're asking for:

"The resistance is a universal right edicted and protected by the human rights charter,the constitution of Lebanon and the actual laws in effect.The government is to abide by those high principles and natural rights and undertakes to engage itself in endorsing,defending and protecting the Lebanese resistance"

How is that for a governmental mission?

No way! It will talk about defense strategy and about the need to integrate HA's militia in the army... Just like the president's inaugural speech.
You want to bet?

[vegojimbo]

Originally Posted by Ashrafieh_101

No way! It will talk about defense strategy and about the need to integrate HA's militia in the army... Just like the president's inaugural speech.
You want to bet?

For starters, the president's inaugural speech talked about HA resistance and not militia.

[Abou Sandal]

Originally Posted by Ashrafieh_101

No way! It will talk about defense strategy and about the need to integrate HA's militia in the army... Just like the president's inaugural speech.
You want to bet?

I think that you are unsatisfied by the government composition and that you will try hard to block the formation of the government under this pretext.

Prove otherwise if you can.