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[Abou Sandal]

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan

The issue of Hezbullah arms is a matter of principle.

I agree.

The resistance is a universal right that cannot be alienated.It is also a patriotic duty.

No one has the right to ask an agressed person or group to stop resisting.

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan

Some believe that the arms are no longer necessary from a pure Lebanese perspective.

Most believe that the arms are more and more necessary from a pure Lebanese perspective.

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan

They believe that in fact today in 2008 the arms are a negative influence on the stability of the borders and Lebanon's ability to create and benefit from a neutral environment to protect itself as the middle east crisis continues to evolve.

Most believe that in fact today in 2008 the arms are a positive influence on the stability of the borders and Lebanon's ability to create and benefit from a neutral environment to protect itself as the middle east crisis continues to evolve.

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan

Some believe that the Shebaa farms are simply an excuse, that the prisoners issue can be resolved over time with other means and with calmer rhetoric much like everyone is dealing with the Syrian prisoners issue.

Most believe that the Shebaa farms are simply occupied and must be liberated, that the prisoners issue can be resolved with Israel only through high pressure unlike the way everyone is dealing with the Syrian prisoners issue.

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan

Some have suspicions that Hezbullah's insistence on maintaining its arms doesn't only emanate from its desire to protect itself, in fact it is primarily driven by its desire to use these weapons for a broader regional goal that keeps the prospects of an open front in the south of Lebanon a reality for the benefit of regional players such as Iran, Syria and Hamas.

Most are sure that some of those who are feeding propagandist suspicions over the fact that Hezbullah's insistence on maintaining its arms alledgly "doesn't only emanate from its desire to protect itself, and that in fact it is primarily driven by its desire to use these weapons for a broader regional goal that keeps the prospects of an open front in the south of Lebanon a reality for the benefit of regional players such as Iran, Syria and Hamas" are just here to serve Israel's goals at the expenses of Lebanon.

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan

Some believe that Hezbollah's weapons, may very well be used at some point in time for internal reasons, and they believe that political parties should not control militias and have arms that it can leverage politically, and internally, even if it doesn't ever use them.

Most believe that Hezbollah's weapons, will never be used at any point in time for internal reasons, and they believe that other political parties should not control militias and have arms that it can leverage politically, and internally, even if it doesn't ever use them.

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan

Some believe that Hezbollah is very interested in an Islamic Shiite state that transcends the borders of Lebanon and fear that one day It may use its arms to forward that goal.

Most believe that Hezbollah is very interested in a just and strong free sovereign independant state that treats all its citizens equally and know that HA may only use its arms to keep Israel away from preventing Lebanon to reach that goal.

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan

Some believe that peace and war in their country is an important matter that they should have a say in and are never willing to farm it out to one group, one sect, or one militia.

Most believe that peace and war in their country is an important matter and that there are so many traitors in Lebanon that only true and trusted and genuine patriots should have a say in theese kind of decisions.

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan

These same people believe that appeasing HA is not the answer.

These same people believe that plotting with US and KSA and Israel and Egypt,against HA is not the answer,and will not get them anywhere.

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan

They also believe that going to war with Hezbollah is not the answer either.

They also believe that not standing by Hezbollah during a war waged by Israel raises many questions.

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan

They believe that isolating HA politically, and dealing with the matter of arms on the basis of strong principles and not on the basis of weak capitulation is the right way forward.

They believe that isolating HA politically, and dealing with the matter of arms on the basis of by-standard policies and not on the basis of true partnership is the right way to a civil war.

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan

Back in the day GMA used to be one of these people.

Supposing that all what you put on GMA's account is true(and it's not),this only adds more and more proofs that GMA is a free patriot that is capable of adapting to realities on the ground,in a way to serve the Lebanese true causes.

Which makes him a truly exceptional national leader of our time.

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan

Most people arent suggesting disarming by force, they simply do not agree with FPM's self-serving defacto capitulation in the form of a marketing tool - the MOU.

Nope.

Most people are with the MOU.

Try to live with that.

[joseph_lubnan]

Originally Posted by Abou Sandal

Most people are with the MOU.

Try to live with that.

This thread is not about Most versus Some, or Some versus Most. I used the word some on purpose so we wont get into how many support this and how many support that, but I guess you couldnt help it.

One more thing for you and for many HA supporters in this forum: Please do not tell me what I need, should or must try to live or not live with. I find it rude that you presume that you can tell people what to live with! Dont you see that you are perpetuating some of the attitudes that we are in fact objecting to in the first place! Enough of this silly bravado it has zero effect on anyone except that it makes you look very bad.

[Militant]

I agree.

The resistance is a universal right that cannot be alienated.It is also a patriotic duty.

No one has the right to ask an agressed person or group to stop resisting.

If so, dont you think that the rest of lebanese should have a share in this resistance?

rather than restricting it to one party

[Amirkani]

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan

The issue of Hezbullah arms is a matter of principle.

Some believe that the arms are no longer necessary from a pure Lebanese perspective. They believe that in fact today in 2008 the arms are a negative influence on the stability of the borders and Lebanon's ability to create and benefit from a neutral environment to protect itself as the middle east crisis continues to evolve. Some believe that the Shebaa farms are simply an excuse, that the prisoners issue can be resolved over time with other means and with calmer rhetoric much like everyone is dealing with the Syrian prisoners issue. Some have suspicions that Hezbullah's insistence on maintaining its arms doesn't only emanate from its desire to protect itself, in fact it is primarily driven by its desire to use these weapons for a broader regional goal that keeps the prospects of an open front in the south of Lebanon a reality for the benefit of regional players such as Iran, Syria and Hamas. Some believe that Hezbollah's weapons, may very well be used at some point in time for internal reasons, and they believe that political parties should not control militias and have arms that it can leverage politically, and internally, even if it doesn't ever use them. Some believe that Hezbollah is very interested in an Islamic Shiite state that transcends the borders of Lebanon and fear that one day It may use its arms to forward that goal. Some believe that peace and war in their country is an important matter that they should have a say in and are never willing to farm it out to one group, one sect, or one militia. These same people believe that appeasing HA is not the answer. They also believe that going to war with Hezbollah is not the answer either. They believe that isolating HA politically, and dealing with the matter of arms on the basis of strong principles and not on the basis of weak capitulation is the right way forward.

Back in the day GMA used to be one of these people.

Most people arent suggesting disarming by force, they simply do not agree with FPM's self-serving defacto capitulation in the form of a marketing tool - the MOU.

Other than stating "an" opinion, the point of this thread is?

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[4U2IMI8]

Originally Posted by Militant

If so, dont you think that the rest of lebanese should have a share in this resistance?

rather than restricting it to one party

Who's stopping you? Go try and join, let us know what happens.

[joseph_lubnan]

Originally Posted by Amirkani

Other than stating "an" opinion, the point of this thread is?

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The point of this thread is to discuss the HA weapons, and disarmament. Disarmament is by far the single most important issue for Lebanon's future.

[Commodore]

Thanks for the great post, Joseph.

This issue should be a principle which we judge politicians by.

With HA and other militias keeping their weapons? Bad politician.
Against HA and other militias keeping their weapons? Good politician.

[Militant]

Originally Posted by 4U2IMI8

Who's stopping you? Go try and join, let us know what happens.

I meant the rest of the Lebanese should have a say in the resistance's key decisions.

In decisions that could lead to war, or provoke the enemy to launch one... similar to the july 06 operation

[mount_amel]

Originally Posted by Militant

I meant the rest of the Lebanese should have a say in the resistance's key decisions.

In decisions that could lead to war, or provoke the enemy to launch one... similar to the july 06 operation

When we build trust , i think then HA will be able to share other lebanese with such decisions.

In the mean time, lets build the dialogue and respond positivley to Berri's call for the Dialogue table.

[4U2IMI8]

Originally Posted by Militant

I meant the rest of the Lebanese should have a say in the resistance's key decisions.

In decisions that could lead to war, or provoke the enemy to launch one... similar to the july 06 operation

Like who? Do you think maybe we could let WJ in on the operations we do? or maybe some of the MP's who went to the US and gave a plaque of appreciation to the ex UN representative for the US who said that Israeli children are more important than Lebanese? You want us to share decisions with them?