against the vote of moughtaribin in 2013

[Intabeh-Altayyar Jaref]

They have to reside in Lebanon for 6 months to vote... This will eliminate petro dollar factor.

Mar1K
I second your idea. They don't even have to come to lebanon to vote but they should be residing in lebanon for a certain time before elections. In this elections, people who never visited Lebanon for years and years came and changed results while people who live in lebanon got there choices nullified. Now those immigrants go back to their countries where they reside and tell their friends how the lebanon tabboole and hommos are good without knowing the damage they committed.

[NewB]

Yes, its their right to vote but why should they?

I don't live in lebanon for example why should I dictate how the country is ruled ? Why should someone who was born in venezuala and lived there their whole life have an impact on the situation in lebanon ?

If you don't pay taxes, you shouldn't vote. Instead they should lower the age to 18.

[Lefacit]

You lost because of poor decisions by FPM. Many have been mentioned before. this line of no Sunni in Zahle, no this, no that... Stop it.
FPM lost a lot a lot of Christian votes since 2005 in many places. After 4 years, there is a BIG disconnect somewhere. The first thing you do is take a poll, in all areas of Lebanon about what people do not like or did not like about FPM. Then Fix it.
Keeping making the same mistakes and people will abandon you even more, next time you may even lose Keserwen.

[Jumpo]

I think they should not be allowed to vote unless they pay taxes in Lebanon or they only have the Lebanese Citizenship (this covers folks in the Gulf). Reasons for this:

1- people who decide have to pay for their decisions. Case in point, the expats came in the tens of 1000s and voted for the possibility if war and against reform. These people live in countries where if Murr was there, he would be in jail due to yesterday's clip on OTV. These people live in countries where they have laws and have 24/24 electricity... So they do not care about these things. They easily buy the Wileyit el faqih story.

2- the ratio of Lebanese outside to the Lebanese inside is very high compared to the Americans outside and inside USA (maybe more than 100 times). So their impact could be huge compared to the US situation.

3- And more importantly, I do not want the Lebanese Parties to start campaigning in Canada (and other countries). I may kill the future movement representative if he knocks at my door and offers me a can of dark tuna to vote for Sa3d I want at least a can of salmon

[Auouniyi bi Amerca]

For those who don't want the diaspora to vote. Do you think that you love Lebanon only if you live in there??? I'm sorry to tell you that this is 100% wrong. Do you know that the election day I stayed the whole night awake watching TV because of the time difference. Do you know that I was on tayyar.org refreshing every 30 second just to have the results. Do you know that I cancelled an invitation just to stay home and watch the news???? Do you know that I was very sad because of the results? So if you think that I don't deserve to vote just because I (or any other expat) had to leave Lebanon that's too bad. Because trust me we love Lebanon more then a lot of people living there and not knowing the value of their country.
But at the same time I have to admit that most of the Lebanese people living outside Lebanon (especially in the US) are pro 14 March because of the propaganda of western media and of course the LBC. But this is not a reason to not giving them the right to vote....

[Aounist05]

After I have seen in these elections, I am starting to think that there should be some restrictions.
What happened on June 7 was really outrageous! People who are not living in lebanon who have their lives settled abroad, got a free ticket, made some tourism, put some money in their pockets, came to lebanon literaly changed situation.
Now we have to endure the consequences while they returned to their countries.

While I still believe they should be involved in the lebanese political life, but I think they should have their own deputees in the lebanese parliament: for example 1 deputee for europe, 1 for canada and/or north america, 1 for australia etc etc

Otherwise I don't see how we can diminish the effect of money even if they vote in the lebanese embassies !!!
In other words I see it cheaper to Hariri giving a person 500€ to vote for him in the lebanese embassy in Paris than paying him a ticket and hotel for the whole family to come to lebanon to vote

[leb-wi-noss]

Some FPMers beat WJ with excellence in switching. The funny part is that 100% of FPMers are convinced that they are the party of principles.

When you were so sure that you are going to win, you were so excited and fighting to give the expats the right to vote. When the result turned to be what you didn't expect, you started a campaign to ban them.

3eib wlo. Some consistency doesn't hurt.

[manny70]

Originally Posted by Aounist05

Otherwise I don't see how we can diminish the effect of money even if they vote in the lebanese embassies !!!
In other words I see it cheaper to Hariri giving a person 500€ to vote for him in the lebanese embassy in Paris than paying him a ticket and hotel for the whole family to come to lebanon to vote

People can be bought weather they reside in or out of Lebanon. Therefore it does not matter if expats can vote or not. If you allow them to vote in embassies, at least you will allow all the people who can't travel to come and vote. I am sure a lot more people would have voted and the results might have been more balanced.

Although I'm a little biased because I don't live in Lebanon. :(

[IA64]

I still do not understand why do you always seek for the cause.
You are always blaming what you asked for. It is always either :
1- 1960 law brought them victory, we should change it
2- Moghtaribin votes brought them victory, lets change it
3- Patriarch was responsible of it, he should be dismissed
4- Sleyman was against us, unfair...

bla bla bla... nothing but nagging....

Seriously, Armenians came in thousands from outside/abroad and all for the sake of Tashnag and nobody commented.

You make the move then you regret it. I even expect opposition to ask to reduce the voting age from 21 to 18 and still lose and then blame themselves.

Seriously, the Tayyar needs a NAFDA. Lets read the statistics and conclude..

It is obvious that HA got all his MPs but the real competition was not in the south. FPM cannot stay away from 90% Sunna, Durze and at least half of the Christians. When relations between FPM and all other sects improve, it will not matter anymore if Sunna in Zahle were 40K or 10K or if the law of 2000 was adopted or any other. You need to get the right weapons and tools not to choose the easiest mission.

When all this mess get fixed, Ill be glad to be the first one joining FPM.

regards.

[Joumana Gebara]

Some replies to this thread are so deceiving that I doubt now that FPM is different from other fascist parties in Lebanon, and I'll explain why.

In your program you write DAWLET 7AK, you right about |equality" between Lebanese but in practice you violate all your principles and values just for your own interests.

I do not see FPMers or decision makers playing a role model in improving this country when diaspora Lebanese are only to vote "under conditions" or with "MPs" representing them etc.

Either FPM wants to make DAWLET 7AK or it doesn't. Period.

Either FPM acknowledges and FORGES the right of ALL Lebanese to vote in their embassies, or it doesn't.

In case you do not forge it shows that all what FPM cares about is "power position" and taking credibility for improvements, and not the FPM I thought would sacrifice and work hard for a better future.

Yes, maybe not all Lebanese deserve sacrifice but this is not what parties are for, this is not what parties exist for. Parties exist to improve citizens lives by giving them their rights and directing them through values.

Also Kataeb claim they want a civil state but do not aply anything from their claim which made them lose credibility. Hizbullah also claims that it wants a progressive state but does not apply anything when it is not even ready to negotiate its weapons. Future also claims that it wants national unity and progress but would not give FPM 5 ministerial offices in 2005.

I am deceived, yes, big time. All parties work for their own interests toward achieving more power and not for the progress of the citizens. Parties like FPM violate their own values in their battle for more power, so what makes you different from other parties? Nothing.

FPM has to return to its values, pledge its programm and this will make it win votes from all Lebanese, otherwise you are just doomed as other parties.

I had justified your alliance with Murr back in 2005, but I personally never voted Murr because I have common sense. This year you allied with SSNP, same thing, I did not vote SSNP because I use my common sense. I know both Murr and SSNP, I know what kind of values they have...I also know what kind of "Human Rights" Hizbullah has. This country cannot function if not all Lebanese are equal, are equally respected and valued.

For me it is not about power, it is about propagating and pledging DAWLET El 7AK!


This can be done without having a majority in the parliament, this is not a matter of seats, those are values, education to the people, alas!!! Too bad, it seems I dreamt about FPM making the change and this dream is a self-made illusion and far from reality.
Hope I am mistaken and FPM forges its values first and foremost.