After Aoun, it's Jumblatt's turn, thank you Jouzo for the comedy show

[Saladin]

Originally Posted by CitizenOfTheRepublic

So you said that Aoun came up with conditions that made any agreement impossible, and here you are saying that Hariri came up with the condition that seems to be at the root of this deadlock. But then again, it is Aoun paralyzing the country?

I am not sure you see the irony in this!

Tell me, these seasonal principles of Hariri, how fit are they do build a country, when he changes principles as he changes underwear?

Where was that condition when E. Marouni and N. Lahoud got cabinets post Doha, both losers?

More to the point, what is the logical basis of such a "fatwa" he came up with? If anything, the known principle since the age of enlightment is that parliamentary powers are separated from the executive, i.e. elected reps, not losers, are not allowed to hold cabinets.

Have to give it to Hariri, he's very creative, and IMHO, it is he too who is paralyzing the country because this seasonal "principle" he came up with was not for the good of the country, but only to earn some points against FPM.

As PM he has the right to form a government he is comfortable with. This condition was to be applied on everyone, however aoun insisted on having things his way. And read this:

تمّ الاتفاق على عدم توزير نواب ونواب سابقين أو خاسرين في الانتخابات باستثناء جبران باسيل

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ya3ne I don't know what is so special about this guy that without whom lebanon is incapable of running.

[Diabolo_7]

Originally Posted by Saladin

As PM he has the right to form a government he is comfortable with. This condition was to be applied on everyone, however aoun insisted on having things his way. And read this:

تمّ الاتفاق على عدم توزير نواب ونواب سابقين أو خاسرين في الانتخابات باستثناء جبران باسيل

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ya3ne I don't know what is so special about this guy that without whom lebanon is incapable of running.

Let me tell you a small story you might not be aware of.

After Hariri refused to form a govt in 1998, in the couple of years that followed, Sanyoura was accused of embezzling public funds (in the maslakh Beirut case) and was to be put on trial and was facing possible jail time.

When Hariri won the elections in 2000 and was appointed PM, he was asked about Sanyoura, whether he will become a minister or not. His answer was:
Sanyoura is not the best financier out there, but as a matter of principle, he will be the minister of finance.

The issue of Jebran Bassil became a matter of principle to FPM. The principle was, you don't name our ministers, we name our own. Is Jebran Bassil the most competent FPMer, definitely not, but him becoming a minister is a matter of principle.

GMA and FPM could have handled it much differently, but still the end result would be the same. A veto on Gebran Bassil would have lead to vetos on other people, and that would have ended the story 5 months ago (but thats my opinion only)/

[CitizenOfTheRepublic]

Originally Posted by Saladin

As PM he has the right to form a government he is comfortable with. This condition was to be applied on everyone, however aoun insisted on having things his way. And read this:

تمّ الاتفاق على عدم توزير نواب ونواب سابقين أو خاسرين في الانتخابات باستثناء جبران باسيل

خاص tayyar.org

ya3ne I don't know what is so special about this guy that without whom lebanon is incapable of running.

I don't know what's so special about that condition that Hariri put so Lebanon is incapable of running without it.

You still haven't answered me, what is the use of that condition, with the exception of enabling Hariri to score points against FPM? How is it going to make the country run better, when it's not in the constitution, not a tradition i.e. "3eref", and broken a few months ago by Hariri's party?

[Danny Z]

Originally Posted by Saladin

Yea because Hariri and lahoud were metel el samne 3al 3asal.

They are both the product of your rotten Taef and your lovely parlianentary majority elected him and your beloved hariri voted on the law to renew his term, FPM back then were absent and you could not blame them, who do you want to blame for all the wrongdoings of Hariri back then?

[LebanonUSA]

Originally Posted by Saladin

So I, the one calling for a majority rule, am a sectarian lackey and aoun, the defender of the christians from the sunni terrorists is a secular nationalist. And who are you to tell me I don't belong to lebanon, I'm a son of Beirut so were my ancestors, even if I stop believing in lebanon, I belong to this area. The fact that I'm a sunnite doesnt mean I'm from the desert or Arabia. This point should be clear to you and the rest of your sectarian clan.

Don't claim holiness just because you're from Beirut. I'm from Wata el Msseitbeh and I'm being treated like a second class citizen. So are the people from Ashrafieh, unless you don't consider Ashrafieh a part of Beirut, or do and consider them as tawabe3 la elkon.

Second, I didn't see you get upset when Bozo told us to go to Syria... Why are you upset now when I (a nobody) told you to go to the desert? Another prime example double standard by you and your ilks.

[BOILER]

Originally Posted by Saladin

As I said earlier, enjoy it while it lasts.

Do you think you could still control the country as you did in 1990-2005 period?
khalas it's over, unless a foreign country launches a new war to set your leader a holy king.

Originally Posted by Saladin

As for your question, when did Hariri stall the country for a family member?

Did we oppose Bahiyya being a minister?
We didn't cause we know it's his right to bring his aunt.

Why would he object on Bassil?
2illit elakhle2 ma ra7 twassilkon la ma7al.

[LebanonUSA]

Originally Posted by Saladin

You are comparing Bassils wish and desire to enter the government to the biggest assassination in the history of lebanon or the region for that matter? What did you expect from SH to do? Be real.

Man, you can't stop giving us more examples of your superiority complex. How is Hariri's assassination bigger than the assassination of Bashir Gemayel or Rene Mouawad? Hariri wasn't even a prime minister when it happened! He was already outside the government. And Karame? shou? khiri 3alé el kalb kamen?

Hariri is just one of the many.

Just when I thought I had a chance of liking the guy, a demonic moron like you comes here and makes me hate the guy even more.

[Saladin]

Originally Posted by CitizenOfTheRepublic

I don't know what's so special about that condition that Hariri put so Lebanon is incapable of running without it.

You still haven't answered me, what is the use of that condition, with the exception of enabling Hariri to score points against FPM? How is it going to make the country run better, when it's not in the constitution, not a tradition i.e. "3eref", and broken a few months ago by Hariri's party?

I dont know, maybe he wanted the cabinet a true reflection of the elections results. I'm speculating here, I cant really help you on this one. As PM, he has the right to form a government as he sees fit. And i dont think it was a tough condition anyway, ya3ne is the fpm in short of competent members? or are they just doing it to score points against Hariri? The arguments could go both ways, I see your point here.

And if it were a principle, as Diablo has mentioned, well I don't think it was worth five months of delay, which didnt happen in the case of saniora.

[Saladin]

Originally Posted by LebanonUSA

Man, you can't stop giving us more examples of your superiority complex. How is Hariri's assassination bigger than the assassination of Bashir Gemayel or Rene Mouawad? Hariri wasn't even a prime minister when it happened! He was already outside the government. And Karame? shou? khiri 3alé el kalb kamen?

Hariri is just one of the many.

Just when I thought I had a chance of liking the guy, a demonic moron like you comes here and makes me hate the guy even more.

I meant bigger in the terms of political aftermath. Not in personal value.

[Saladin]

Originally Posted by BOILER

Do you think you could still control the country as you did in 1990-2005 period?
khalas it's over, unless a foreign country launches a new war to set your leader a holy king.


Did we oppose Bahiyya being a minister?
We didn't cause we know it's his right to bring his aunt.

Why would he object on Bassil?
2illit elakhle2 ma ra7 twassilkon la ma7al.

Bahia el Hariri has her own political weight in Saida, she doesnt need Saad to reach the parliament. Her case is different.