After 3 Years, FPM Counter-attacks El Jozo

[hannaalsayssa]

when the batrak errrs we all attack him
same goes for the shia and druze, they answer their erring religuious leaders.

i have yet to see one single sunni vote criticizing these wahhabi and terrorirts muftis.
or for god sake criticizing the sep11 terrorists acts.

granted lebanon is build on sectarian, but one can be reasonable in how he speaks and the sect should be able to put some hold on their leaders
alas this is not happening with the sunni leadership, actually they are trying to incite the remaining quiet sunnis into war,

look how sa3odun was threatening civil war just to force us to accept his dictates.
and look how the shia and even druze tries to defuse any sectarian attack, even wello tries to defuse tentions now and than.

so what do you suggest than?

when no one in the sunni street dares say one word?
do we watch ourselves being slaughtered to please others?
or we just bend backward to please sa3doun?
or what? we emigrate and let sa3doun decides who rules and represent us?

you tell me the way forward and i am sure many will follow.

gone are the days when we shut up and smile.

[Robin Hood]

Originally Posted by hannaalsayssa

when the batrak errrs we all attack him
same goes for the shia and druze, they answer their erring religuious leaders.

i have yet to see one single sunni vote criticizing these wahhabi and terrorirts muftis.
or for god sake criticizing the sep11 terrorists acts.

granted lebanon is build on sectarian, but one can be reasonable in how he speaks and the sect should be able to put some hold on their leaders
alas this is not happening with the sunni leadership, actually they are trying to incite the remaining quiet sunnis into war,

look how sa3odun was threatening civil war just to force us to accept his dictates.
and look how the shia and even druze tries to defuse any sectarian attack, even wello tries to defuse tentions now and than.

so what do you suggest than?

when no one in the sunni street dares say one word?
do we watch ourselves being slaughtered to please others?
or we just bend backward to please sa3doun?
or what? we emigrate and let sa3doun decides who rules and represent us?

you tell me the way forward and i am sure many will follow.

gone are the days when we shut up and smile.

Sunnis are taught to not questions their leaders. Why do u think they had lots of dictators? Because they say that the 7akim, 7atta law kan zalim, was appointed by God.

[Red Phoenix]

Originally Posted by hannaalsayssa

when the batrak errrs we all attack him
same goes for the shia and druze, they answer their erring religuious leaders.

i have yet to see one single sunni vote criticizing these wahhabi and terrorirts muftis.
or for god sake criticizing the sep11 terrorists acts.

granted lebanon is build on sectarian, but one can be reasonable in how he speaks and the sect should be able to put some hold on their leaders
alas this is not happening with the sunni leadership, actually they are trying to incite the remaining quiet sunnis into war,

look how sa3odun was threatening civil war just to force us to accept his dictates.
and look how the shia and even druze tries to defuse any sectarian attack, even wello tries to defuse tentions now and than.

so what do you suggest than?

when no one in the sunni street dares say one word?
do we watch ourselves being slaughtered to please others?
or we just bend backward to please sa3doun?
or what? we emigrate and let sa3doun decides who rules and represent us?

you tell me the way forward and i am sure many will follow.

gone are the days when we shut up and smile.

all i can tell u is that calling all the sunnis nuts is unhelpful

not everybody supports jozzo, so even if there are very few not against us, they are very valuable

[SputNik]

I was expecting a more fierce reply after letting him get away with it for too long, FPM should've been more direct and aimed the reply towards his master since there's no way he made that move without getting his approval first, either-way it's a good start and should be followed by similar moves everytime someone crosses the line, even-though they won't learn or stop but at least it should satisfy the FPM supporters and show the others that enough is enough!

[Red Phoenix]

Originally Posted by SputNik

I was expecting a more fierce reply after letting him get away with it for too long, FPM should've been more direct and aimed the reply towards his master since there's no way he made that move without getting his approval first, either-way it's a good start and should be followed by similar moves everytime someone crosses the line, even-though they won't learn or stop but at least it should satisfy the FPM supporters and show the others that enough is enough!

if u ask me, fpm should have issued clear prompt strong official replies to all of the trash that was said against it since 2005 and gma should have stayed away from replying himself to any of them.

but a lot of damage was already done, so apart from us feeling good about it now, i dont know what any PR reply or clean up campaign can do.

simple matter of fact, 90% of the sunnis hate our guts, not because we deserve it, but because 90% of the sunnis have been lied to none stop since 2005 and they fell for it easily for a number of reasons.

too much damage was done on purpose by the hariri team and fpm was not up to the task of staying out of this sand pit. lebanon is made of tribes, that is something fpm seems to forget often.

the thing is, if fpm harshely replies to jozzo now, what are the guarantees that the sunnis of akar wont start attacking the chrsitians of akar whom most are pro-fpm ?

the army is there i know, but i have the feeling that fpm waited too long and did nothing, and doing nothing on some critical matters is a very bad move.
now doing something doesn't guarantee good results.

jozzo is beyond doubt cheap human trash, but how can we avoid his current trap of him using his god again to bash us hopping that if we reply to him he will get more peasants turned fanatic lynch mobs on the streets against us.

it's not a very simple call, they know they got their counterparts the maniacs of our christian community aka the LFers on their side, so they might push their luck on the ground by continuing to fill some of their poor folks with secterian hate speech against us knowing that we dont react like LFers do, for better or worse.

we need to find any sunni man who is willing to oppose them and support him.

so far the sunnis of the opposition apart from makhzouni have been worse than the sunnis of the loyalists when it came to choosing sides, so clearly it was a bad choice having them on board and i'm not sure if there is any more time left to find a sunni figure to support us in this game unlike the dozens of christian figures that harriri bought to his side early in this game.

i'm sorry if i digressed, but this whole ball game has derailled from its tracks and gone loco like jozzo.

[hannaalsayssa]

Originally Posted by Red Phoenix

all i can tell u is that calling all the sunnis nuts is unhelpful

not everybody supports jozzo, so even if there are very few not against us, they are very valuable

what will 5 or 10 % do?

they themselves are subject to the whims and terror of the likes of jouzou, they need more help than us.

really i ask you

how do you see the way forward, when some sect leaders only act as if all others are beneath them?

i feel there is no way but to stand up and name names and hope for the best,
ye3ni they want a civil war , they are asking for one.but we should ignore that wish and focus on how to resist them in different ways.

[Zouxi]

هلجوزو ما رح يعرف يسد بوزو؟

[hannaalsayssa]

Originally Posted by Red Phoenix

if u ask me, fpm should have issued clear prompt strong official replies to all of the trash that was said against it since 2005 and gma should have stayed away from replying himself to any of them.

but a lot of damage was already done, so apart from us feeling good about it now, i dont know what any PR reply or clean up campaign can do.

simple matter of fact, 90% of the sunnis hate our guts, not because we deserve it, but because 90% of the sunnis have been lied to none stop since 2005 and they fell for it easily for a number of reasons.

too much damage was done on purpose by the hariri team and fpm was not up to the task of staying out of this sand pit. lebanon is made of tribes, that is something fpm seems to forget often.

the thing is, if fpm harshely replies to jozzo now, what are the guarantees that the sunnis of akar wont start attacking the chrsitians of akar whom most are pro-fpm ?
the army is there i know, but i have the feeling that fpm waited too long and did nothing, and doing nothing on some critical matters is a very bad move.
now doing something doesn't guarantee good results.

jozzo is beyond doubt cheap human trash, but how can we avoid his current trap of him using his god again to bash us hopping that if we reply to him he will get more peasants turned wahabi lynch mobs on the streets against us.

it's not a very simple call, they know they got their counterparts the maniacs of our christian community aka the LFers on their side, so they might push their luck on the ground by continuing to fill some of their poor folks with secterian hate speech against us knowing that we dont react like LFers do, for better or worse.

we need to find any sunni man who is willing to oppose them and support him.

so far the sunnis of the opposition apart from makhzouni have been worse than the sunnis of the loyalists when it came to choosing sides, so clearly it was a bad choice having them on board and i'm not sure if there is any more time left to find a sunni figure to support us in this game unlike the dozens of christians figures that harriri bought to his side early in this game.

good luck finding a sunni leader who will stand up to them LOL, karami sided last year against the alawites.
we can not live in fear

ye3ni anytime the sunnis are not happy, they waste few christians in their areas?

is that what they are implying, because that what i understaood when sa3doun said today to BASSIL

either you accept our demands or there will be civil war.

we should never accept such threats ,not to ignore them because these muftis are capable of doing such acts and inciting their followers,( halba massacre,danniye,fei,khaliyat hamad,etc...) but making sure that the army is ready and cover all the vulnerable areas in case these wahhabis tries to be funny.

the army is our last hope of safeguarding our people lives and property.

[Red Phoenix]

Originally Posted by hannaalsayssa

what will 5 or 10 % do?

they themselves are subject to the whims and terror of the likes of jouzou, they need more help than us.

really i ask you

how do you see the way forward, when some sect leaders only act as if all others are beneath them?

i feel there is no way but to stand up and name names and hope for the best,
ye3ni they want a civil war , they are asking for one.but we should ignore that wish and focus on how to resist them in different ways.

10% is better than 0%

and i am not saying i support ignoring the whole freak show

i am saying to tackle it wisely

attacking them all instead of consolidating potential allies is not wise in my book

today we might not have a solution for this issue, but if done carefully in 1 year we might

plus i see no reason to be in a hury to 'do something about it' when i am living in a country where all sects are renowed for being maniacs in one way or the other.

i dont have wahabi friends, no do i have crusader Lfer friends, but the very few normal sunni and christian and atheist/secular friends i have i hold on to dearly, for they are my investement for the future if our respective societies go mad.

u dont have to agree with it, but that's my point from the start

[elias-aj]

We should file a complaint against him and put the pressure on the judiciary to do its work and enforce the law.

His place is in prison and I see it as an insult to the lebanese to maintain him in his current position. Imagine Sfeir or SHN insulting Hariri and / or the sunni community like Jozo insulted GMA and the christian community.