Achrafieh Hariri? Achrafieh Armenians?

[last_hope]

Originally Posted by hannaalsayssa

absolutely

the road you are asking FPM to follow will lead only to withering & weakening.

i am sure you have good intentions but we need to look at the reality on the ground.

Mr dove will not cut it in lebanon.
we lost a lot of teh christian voters due to our failure to either scare them enough or the other side scared them from our actions.

WAKE UP GUYS...FPM IS MAINLY A CHRISTIAN PARTY...we need to cater to our constituency needs and fears and we need to address the in the language they understand.

if FPM continues on this road, that is catering to only Christian interests, they will lose a lot more including myself (and i'm maronite).
lets educate and not scare ...

[hannaalsayssa]

Originally Posted by last_hope

if FPM continues on this road, that is catering to only Christian interests, they will lose a lot more including myself (and i'm maronite).
lets educate and not scare ...

i respect your opinion.

but the majority of the pandas like propaganda.

[GeorgeY]

Originally Posted by CPL

In agreement that the big number of people changing voting location is done by political agenda, and more possibly the selection done upon political alligeance.

However, sorry I cannot understand what is wrong with sunnis voting in Achrafieh or Metn or Zahleh. I don't understand this whole rubbish of "3asmit el katlakeh" (zahleh) and "christian bi imtiyez".

FPM has a duty to everyone including sunnis, and may I remind you that we have fellow FPMers of that sect. And our intention is to make everyone in Lebanon pro-FPM.

Sorry I am stupid, I don't understand many things.

it is commonly refered to sunni as FM (which is wrong i do agree) same as refered to shiaa as HA/Amal but i think no one has anything against others in other sects it just happened to be that FM moved i donno how much of FM loyalists that happened to be sunni and it had 2 effects
moving sunni to christian areas that sadly in lebanon has the feeling of sects overwhelming other sects (happens to be FM trying to overwhelm skaff)
and that FM trying to control zahle region by control the "sawt el mouraji7" there

[GeorgeY]

Originally Posted by last_hope

if FPM continues on this road, that is catering to only Christian interests, they will lose a lot more including myself (and i'm maronite).
lets educate and not scare ...

i think news are getting wrong to USA
sadly in lebanon the electoral system is build on sects, i dont think if GMA had large sunni PMs he would say no
but how can GMA stand and talk about sunni's intrests when they all dont care about what he says (and by the way they got all the good stuff out of taiif while we didnt) and leave the christians without saying anything
again sadly in lebanon we r sect until we becaome dawleh madanieh then we should accept it like it is then work on getting it better and then u can threaten to leave FPM if u see that FPM or C&R are sectarian otherwise i think u got a wrong msg

[last_hope]

i'm not threatening. i know how it is in lebanon. unfortunately, it will take us a long time to get out of the religious, sectarian mentality. but i thought GMA was on the right track and he got support from all sects. and i also know that he doesn't want to talk secular but is forced to and you can argue that the elections showed that it was the wrong thing to do. His appeal is that he is a national leader and not just a christian leader. that's what we need to go back to.

[hannaalsayssa]

Originally Posted by last_hope

i'm not threatening. i know how it is in lebanon. unfortunately, it will take us a long time to get out of the religious, sectarian mentality. but i thought GMA was on the right track and he got support from all sects. and i also know that he doesn't want to talk secular but is forced to and you can argue that the elections showed that it was the wrong thing to do. His appeal is that he is a national leader and not just a christian leader. that's what we need to go back to.

the election showed that he did not defend the christian rights in a way that people understood.

in 2005 he was a national leader as you mentioned and still he got the same % of the sunni & druze voters
and the shia too same low % when Ha made its famous tekleef.

it seems national bla bla bla works when the otehr sects want to give you votes.
look at zahra he got higher % of sunnis than some sunnis in tripoli.

khalass stop delusing yourselves.
we lost % in christian street because we let the others run the media on their own terms.
and we were busy arguing how best to respond.

no way but the confrontational way.

sa3doun is an armani dressed bin laden and we need to drill such messages.

egypt= not ahramms & sharam al sheikh.
egypt= 10 million copts living in bondage.

[GeorgeY]

Originally Posted by last_hope

i'm not threatening. i know how it is in lebanon. unfortunately, it will take us a long time to get out of the religious, sectarian mentality. but i thought GMA was on the right track and he got support from all sects. and i also know that he doesn't want to talk secular but is forced to and you can argue that the elections showed that it was the wrong thing to do. His appeal is that he is a national leader and not just a christian leader. that's what we need to go back to.

i am really 100% with u and what u r saying but u cant fight a loosing battle i am mean all other nations are trying their best to keep lebanon as sectarian country (KSA,USA, Israel and all the rest that follow those) we barely won in the elections after all the nations in the world helped against us in a way or another, can u imagine if we lost just keserwan or jbeil what would have happened?
unfortunately we have to keep our pace like it us until things change and change accordingly else we loose what we got left.
can u imagine GMA thanking KSA for helping in the elections what would happen GMA would get 5 sunni voters and loose thousands (unfortunately again)

[CitizenOfTheRepublic]

Every area has its own peculiarities, and I do not see FPM fully understanding this concept.

A rather large constituency of Beirut I is what you call the bourgeoisie. FPM lost big in these circles for a number of reasons.

I see some advocating a confrontational approach to these voters. If FPM wants to give up this segment altogether, then with what is it going to make up with? Thin air?

Not to disregard the importance of flown in voters that is.

[last_hope]

Originally Posted by hannaalsayssa

we lost % in christian street because we let the others run the media on their own terms.
and we were busy arguing how best to respond.

I agree with this 1000%. communication is key.
but i still dont want FPM to turn into another LF or Kataeb or ahrar or ... just another Christian party. that is not the goal.

I don't agree with portraying Saad and all FM and Sunna as an extremist. that is not right and is costing us a lot of compassion from that side.
however, I'm all for banging in the idea that his party's policies are what got us in $50 billion debt and what caused loss of jobs and ....

fight corruption and all sects will vote for you.
offer a better alternative and all sects will vote for you.

[GeorgeY]

Originally Posted by last_hope

I agree with this 1000%. communication is key.
but i still dont want FPM to turn into another LF or Kataeb or ahrar or ... just another Christian party. that is not the goal.

I don't agree with portraying Saad and all FM and Sunna as an extremist. that is not right and is costing us a lot of compassion from that side.
however, I'm all for banging in the idea that his party's policies are what got us in $50 billion debt and what caused loss of jobs and ....

fight corruption and all sects will vote for you.
offer a better alternative and all sects will vote for you.

i wont say a lot this time just a simple example about fighting corruption when the cellular bill got lowered by bassil, LFers were throwing a campaign that it wasnt "really" lowered and that bassil was stealing what do u want more than that