Achrafieh Hariri? Achrafieh Armenians?

[TTT1]

Guys, I was born and always lived in Ashrafieh. I have tried to help as much as possible during elections .
The reasons of our loss are simple:
1. Some candidate choices. Here I disagree with Joumana Gebara and I believe Nicolas Sehnaoui is our safest bet for the future. No matter about his uncle/SGBL,...This is a bigger issue and he proved to be a very good asset. However, Abou Jamra may not have been the best choice.
2. It is true that we lost, but results are encouraging . In fact, we started below 0! And FPM worked hard to increase the slope. That was not just good enough against better prepared people.
3. Apart Patriarch Sfeir who played it openly against us, Moutran Audi was also pushing the other list and if you know how many institutions are related to the orthodox church in this region you can then extrapolate the results. Many stories circulate on this for example in St George Hospital...
4. Sadly but true, a lot of the Ashrafieh voters are of the upper bourgoisie where FPM lost the biggest share of supporters in the last 3 years. This part of the society reads L'Orient Le Jour and Nahar and watches LBC. For over 3 years they were just following those medias and totally agree with the fact that Aoun will bring Iran here and that we became Pro Syrian,... This is where FPM should have stepped up in a smarter way its communication campaign to tackle those specific people. They have voted I would say 80% for the other list and this is where the difference came.
5. we relied blindly on our allies the Tachnag who did their best . We should have instead considered that we are losing 5-0 and worked even harder all the way.
6. Don't under estimate the way Pharaon and Tueini handle the Makhatir . Those are amazingly powerful and 80% are with Pharaon and Tueini. Our hope is to work hard as of now to try and get some new makhatir next year. Those proved to be the back bone of the March 14 lists in many areas.
7. March 14 brought at least 3000 additional votes from outside Lebanon. FPM has been very lousy with the diaspora with a very late reaction. You can't rely just on the good will of people...Unfortunately...

All in all, we lost and it is a fact.
However, things can only improve as of now. We should learn from our mistakes, learn and analyze well all numbers, and plan ahead. Our candidates should be working as of now at all levels in order to build the momentum for 2013. Now that Nayla and Nadim won, they will have a big exposure in media in the next 4 years and we need to be smart enough to play this down.
Finally, FPM will need to tackle those "upper society" people somehow. For sure those will discover that Nayla and Nadim speech were just empty slogans and some may change their minds but we need to be more sophisticated to appeal back to those crucial voters in this region.

PS: Funny enough, LFers and Kataebis still believe they won the elections while they just won Beirut 1 and Zahle and that FPM won all mountains . This was never seen in Lebanese history. No single party or leader was able to scoop Jbeil, KEsrwan, North and South Metn!!!
So for all the present LFers and Kataebis on this forum: Go and play somehwere else. We won , no matter what you will see.
You killed just a dream , the dream to change. And you will suffer from it as much as we will.
BUT, the train continues!

[ceaoun]

Originally Posted by freedom4ever

Ya 3amme!!!

What i dont get w iza fi na2el nfous
This matter is meaningless

It is not a matter of Sect and sectarian voting,
Sunni or not, druze or not, christian , armenian, who cares!!!!

This is an issue of a whole people if all the people from all the sects didnt wake up and stop following blindly their religious leaders and dont start thinking of their own profit we wont get out of this.

Nice words for a speech for 2113 election campaign. (100 years from the next election).

Who cares?
Those who won.
Who doesn't care?
those who lost.
This is a Basketball game.
What you are talking about is football.
Either change your game or go to a different Stadium(country).
When the majority of the people understand your game and they are ready to play it then it's your turn:til then you are a spectator.

Many decades (perhaps centuries) are needed for the Lebanese people to make political decisions away from their religion affiliation.

Here is the test: every 6 years, ask the lebanese people to vote directly for a president : the candidates are chosen from different sects: from each sect pick the best and well known candidate. Then count how many maronites voted for the Sunni, Shiaa, Druze, etc......; and vice versa for each candidate.

In 2113, when you see the majority of maronites vote for the Druze candidate then you know it is time to play football.(the example is valid for all other sects)

regards

[Zouxi]

Originally Posted by >Watani<

خسارة التيار الوطني الحرّ في دائرة بيروت الأولى ما إلو معنى؟
نايلة تويني ونديم جميل اشتغلوا صحّ خلال الأربعة أشهر ما إلو معنى؟
الكلام الطائفيّ الذي تلفظوا به جميعهم ما إلو معنى؟
إنحدار المجتمع اللبنانيّ لتصنيف الناس ما إلو معنى؟
خدمات ميشال فرعون 14 سنة في الأشرفية حدّث بلا حرج ما إلو معنى؟
لولا وجود الأرمن في بيروت الأولى لما رشحّ التيار الوطني الحرّ لائحة مقابل لائحة الحريري ما إلو معنى؟
أتريد المزيد؟ إن التيار الوطني الحرّ كذب على نفسه بالآمال الواهية بالفوز في بيروت الأولى لأنه لم يدرس بصدق المنتخبون في هذه الدائرة

Guys,

FPM/Tachnag alliance got 50.9% of the chistian votes in achrafieh ( check elections.gov.lb) but the sunni votes (around 3500 for them) turned the results for their favour, same happened in koura and zahleh...

I am very happy for achrafieh results, FPM proved to be the biggest force there, it got alone more than 11k votes (+4700 for tachnag, 300 sunni+700 chi3ia), facing the dynasty of michel pheraoun, LF, kataeb,FM, motran aoude and the blood of bachir gemayel and gebran tueini...

I know that we lost this district afterall, but i personally prefer to have a dissection for the results to know what happened, and FPM did great in this district....

[orange infection]

just forget ashrafiyeh thingy
let them enjoy the same MPs year after year , ye3neh if they don't realize who made their voting possibile , then they just don't deserve a thing
lebanon is wide , and believe me batroun's problem is by far worst than ashrafiyeh , the only difference is that in ashrafiyeh there's 5 MPs

[Abotareq93]

Originally Posted by ceaoun

Nice words for a speech for 2113 election campaign. (100 years from the next election).

Who cares?
Those who won.
Who doesn't care?
those who lost.
This is a Basketball game.
What you are talking about is football.
Either change your game or go to a different Stadium(country).
When the majority of the people understand your game and they are ready to play it then it's your turn:til then you are a spectator.

Many decades (perhaps centuries) are needed for the Lebanese people to make political decisions away from their religion affiliation.

Here is the test: every 6 years, ask the lebanese people to vote directly for a president : the candidates are chosen from different sects: from each sect pick the best and well known candidate. Then count how many maronites voted for the Sunni, Shiaa, Druze, etc......; and vice versa for each candidate.

In 2113, when you see the majority of maronites vote for the Druze candidate then you know it is time to play football.(the example is valid for all other sects)

regards

If things keep going this way, there will be an extremely small Christian minority in Lebanon in 2113(they will conserve them because they would need restaurant waiters, hotel receptionists and pimps). Lebanon' name would be changed to the Kingdom of Hariri Arabia and his Highness Saad the
3rd( tal 3omro) will be the King; there won't be any elections but only appointments in high positions of the brownnosers of the royal family.

[hannaalsayssa]

WE WERE NOT SECTARION ENOUGH

They managed to scare our voters more than we scared theirs.

let us stop beating around the bushes with lovely thoughts.

2013 we want to win, let loose the scarecrows, many christians still respond to that sadly.

we want zahle, beirut,batroun back...DEMONIZE OUR OPPONENTS.....and by that i do mot mean sg.

[Haririst]

Originally Posted by lebanese1

The Christian votes in Achrafieh were close taking in consideration that Feb 14 brought alot of people from abroad!

Whats the percentage of maronite , orthodox or catholic voters for you???

Again you are considering Armenians in your numbers... for the milionth time.

[Red Phoenix]

Originally Posted by hannaalsayssa

WE WERE NOT SECTARION ENOUGH

They managed to scare our voters more than we scared theirs.

let us stop beating around the bushes with lovely thoughts.

2013 we want to win, let loose the scarecrows, many christians still respond to that sadly.

we want zahle, beirut,batroun back...DEMONIZE OUR OPPONENTS.....and by that i do mot mean sg.

you want to become worse than the LFers to defeat them ?

there are others ways of defeating them apart from becoming them which defeats the whole purpose of the struggle.

remember, they are fascists we are not, that's the problem.

[Amirkani]

Originally Posted by TTT1

Guys, I was born and always lived in Ashrafieh. I have tried to help as much as possible during elections .
The reasons of our loss are simple:
1. Some candidate choices. Here I disagree with Joumana Gebara and I believe Nicolas Sehnaoui is our safest bet for the future. No matter about his uncle/SGBL,...This is a bigger issue and he proved to be a very good asset. However, Abou Jamra may not have been the best choice.
2. It is true that we lost, but results are encouraging . In fact, we started below 0! And FPM worked hard to increase the slope. That was not just good enough against better prepared people.
3. Apart Patriarch Sfeir who played it openly against us, Moutran Audi was also pushing the other list and if you know how many institutions are related to the orthodox church in this region you can then extrapolate the results. Many stories circulate on this for example in St George Hospital...
4. Sadly but true, a lot of the Ashrafieh voters are of the upper bourgoisie where FPM lost the biggest share of supporters in the last 3 years. This part of the society reads L'Orient Le Jour and Nahar and watches LBC. For over 3 years they were just following those medias and totally agree with the fact that Aoun will bring Iran here and that we became Pro Syrian,... This is where FPM should have stepped up in a smarter way its communication campaign to tackle those specific people. They have voted I would say 80% for the other list and this is where the difference came.
5. we relied blindly on our allies the Tachnag who did their best . We should have instead considered that we are losing 5-0 and worked even harder all the way.
6. Don't under estimate the way Pharaon and Tueini handle the Makhatir . Those are amazingly powerful and 80% are with Pharaon and Tueini. Our hope is to work hard as of now to try and get some new makhatir next year. Those proved to be the back bone of the March 14 lists in many areas.
7. March 14 brought at least 3000 additional votes from outside Lebanon. FPM has been very lousy with the diaspora with a very late reaction. You can't rely just on the good will of people...Unfortunately...

All in all, we lost and it is a fact.
However, things can only improve as of now. We should learn from our mistakes, learn and analyze well all numbers, and plan ahead. Our candidates should be working as of now at all levels in order to build the momentum for 2013. Now that Nayla and Nadim won, they will have a big exposure in media in the next 4 years and we need to be smart enough to play this down.
Finally, FPM will need to tackle those "upper society" people somehow. For sure those will discover that Nayla and Nadim speech were just empty slogans and some may change their minds but we need to be more sophisticated to appeal back to those crucial voters in this region.

PS: Funny enough, LFers and Kataebis still believe they won the elections while they just won Beirut 1 and Zahle and that FPM won all mountains . This was never seen in Lebanese history. No single party or leader was able to scoop Jbeil, KEsrwan, North and South Metn!!!
So for all the present LFers and Kataebis on this forum: Go and play somehwere else. We won , no matter what you will see.
You killed just a dream , the dream to change. And you will suffer from it as much as we will.
BUT, the train continues!

Ya3tikon el-3efyieh... everyone knew Achrafieh will be the toughest battle for FPM.

A few remarks

- For those you call "upper society" and I call "brain-dead foufesh", you don't need to "handle" them as you suggest... you need to confront them. You need to show how silly they are and useless to mankind they are. We fell into their trap and tried to play their game and appease them too much. Ye3ni, I couldn't recognize our campaign in Achrafieh as belonging to FPM... too much Christian this, Bachir that, and Achrafieh Abiyeh... we tried to act "bourgeois" and "empty-headed" like them. We shouldn't have faced their ignorance by trying to act ignorant like them. That's not us. You face a bad idea and attitude with a counter-idea and opposite attitude... we didn't.

- The same goes for facing the "Christian militia" attitude. We brought an ex-militiaman to combat the militia attitude? Massoud doesn't represent our ideas... and even from an electoral standpoint, I doubt that, as a list, we gained more than a couple of hundred votes from having him on our list.

But in any case, you guys worked hard and deserve all our appreciation... it's the leadership (many of them) that messed up there :)

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[Amirkani]

Originally Posted by Haririst

Whats the percentage of maronite , orthodox or catholic voters for you???

Again you are considering Armenians in your numbers... for the milionth time.

I am sick of your racist comments in this forum... go back to Turkey you Ottoman remnant bigot!

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