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Ya 3amme!!!

What i dont get w iza fi na2el nfous
This matter is meaningless

It is not a matter of Sect and sectarian voting,
Sunni or not, druze or not, christian , armenian, who cares!!!!

This is an issue of a whole people if all the people from all the sects didnt wake up and stop following blindly their religious leaders and dont start thinking of their own profit we wont get out of this.
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This is sick! WTF is this metni idiot still doing in FPM? timweel islemi, dawleh islemiye,

****!!! talking about change and reform the society and the country? How about

reforming ourselves first? This is getting utterly ridiculous and unbearable.. All I

keep hearing from FPM officials since the elections ended is : we have 50% of el****,

we want 5 **** in the government! yisti7o ba2a! they totally **** this movement

and our dreams!
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Let us be frank to each others. Did you really believe for one second that FPM list will win in Ashrafieh?

The choice of Ashrafieh's candidate and the policy in Ashrafieh was never in the favor of FPM.

Let us simply take Sehnaoui (Sa7, nawi) as an example. Sehnaoui is the cousin of Pharaon and did not even get the support of his own family. Sehnaoui's uncle and father remind me of Gaby and Michel Murr who fought till death during the elections. Sehnaoui's uncle was the main supporter of Nayla Tueini's campaign even more than Choueiri, Sehnaoui's uncle who owns the Societe Generale 7at kil te2lo ta ysa2et Sehnaoui, ye3ne how could you believe for a moment that "fundamental Christian speeches" were the only reason. Hounaka ma wara2a al kawaliss!

Then we have Poussy el Ashkar who used during Aoun's era to be istikhbaret tiraz awal and get Lebanese who were against Aoun out of their houses to majeless ta2dibye (ye3ne yde2owon atle lil chabeb), do you think the people forgot it? Or you think people forgot Poussy's declaration 2 days before the election that he does not agree with Aoun's visit to Syria and lots of other subjects? This gave a boost to the other side's credibility and the voter thought that choosing Nayla and Nadim is actually the right choice since Poussy himself is not convinced about Aoun. Let us stop kidding each others: Lebanese live on 3atfe w khayel...and the role of the media is crucial, it forms their opinion.

So before criticizing Armenians who played an extremely marginal role in the whole elections, FPM must begin criticizing itself

w hayda kello b2oulo bi kil ma7abe wa i7tiram, just swallow it and try to get on the right track, ye3ne ma tenzel2o bil khoutab el ta2efe la2an mich l khoutab ken l mechkleh, el asbeb ta3adadet and what I mentioned is only part of a lot of accumulated reasons which led to failure.
I would presume the reason for FPM loss was mainly because FPM was out of touch of what the Ashrafieh residents had been through these past few years. People forget that Ashrafieh is actually Beirut. The residents there saw assassinations, flying bullets, terror, abuse and demos. Do you think it is easy for those people to turn the switch off and vote for FPM, Hezbollah ally?
Voters were not too concerned about Christian rights more so they were worried about their security their safety and they feared that voting for FPM is basically voting for Hezbollah. We have to understand the psych behind such decision.
I am guessing that the majority of the votes that FPM got there were from residents who live outside Ashrafieh plus many armenians who live outside Lebanon.

sem3a bhal matal: 3ad el 3isi gher yalli 3m yekilon

I said it earlier, Zahle was a similar scenario in a way.
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I would presume the reason for FPM loss was mainly because FPM was out of touch of what the Ashrafieh residents had been through these past few years. People forget that Ashrafieh is actually Beirut. The residents there saw assassinations, flying bullets, terror, abuse and demos. Do you think it is easy for those people to turn the switch off and vote for FPM, Hezbollah ally?
Voters were not too concerned about Christian rights more so they were worried about their security their safety and they feared that voting for FPM is basically voting for Hezbollah. We have to understand the psych behind such decision.
I am guessing that the majority of the votes that FPM got there were from residents who live outside Ashrafieh plus many armenians who live outside Lebanon.

sem3a bhal matal: 3ad el 3isi gher yalli 3m yekilon

I said it earlier, Zahle was a similar scenario in a way.
sorry but what you are saying here is very dangerous and very ****!
are you saying that the achrafiots accuse FPM and his ally Hizb for these flying bullets assassinations and lack of security in achrafiyeh ????
all our demos were peacefull and calm ! smalla what the achrafiots had to go through the past years that any other region did not have to for the past 20 years ! eh achrafiyeh el ma7roumeh !

now i understand why FPM lost in achrafiyeh ![]

burning achrafiyeh by the partisans of hariri in 5 feb was a great job geagea even went further :they are our allies !!!! yeah well this was the safety achrafiots need ! yeah i understand the psych of the achrafiots very well ...

to be franc now i am happy we lost achrafiyeh !
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sorry but what you are saying here is very dangerous and very ****!
are you saying that the achrafiots accuse FPM and his ally Hizb for these flying bullets assassinations and lack of security in achrafiyeh ????
all our demos were peacefull and calm ! smalla what the achrafiots had to go through the past years that any other region did not have to for the past 20 years ! eh achrafiyeh el ma7roumeh !

now i understand why FPM lost in achrafiyeh ![]

burning achrafiyeh by the partisans of hariri in 5 feb was a great job geagea even went further :they are our allies !!!! yeah well this was the safety achrafiots need ! yeah i understand the psych of the achrafiots very well ...

to be franc now i am happy we lost achrafiyeh !
[] I didn't imply that FPM did all of these horrible things but with FPM being Hezbollah "loyal" ally with everything Hezbollah does then it is presumed that not much choice was left for the majority of voters in Ashrafieh but to vote against it. I am simply analyzing but again if you think the above played no role then that's quite alright.
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What r u guys talking about..............check the christian votes in Achrafieh.......its very encouraging
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What r u guys talking about..............check the christian votes in Achrafieh.......its very encouraging
Can you please post them in detail?
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The Christian votes in Achrafieh were close taking in consideration that Feb 14 brought alot of people from abroad!
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el video ma 2elou ma3na ma 7ada 7eki 3an ba22yet el 2oumour.
Ashrafiyye could have swung both ways, nobody knew how it was going to be because they had not voted since forever. It ended up being decided by the sunni vote, but again the sunni vote alone is not the problem. If Christian voters of Ashrafiyye were not half stupid the sunni vote couldn't have made things swing to the other side, anyway they deserve what they got, now let them ask nayla and Nadim to disarm hezbolla.

شعبٌ إذا ضرب الحذاء برأسه, صاح الحذاء لأي ذنبٍ إضرب
This is exactly why we lost Achrafieh.
When you assume your opponents are half stupid you are doomed to loose.

Your opponents played on things that still count for the majority of the Lebanese people.

You played on assuming that they were stupid or what they were playing about was stupid: they won; you lost.

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Armenian just posted the Christian votes, stop blaming sunni, shi3a, durzi, boudi ballouta, you are giving too much credit for the Lebanese people.
Fi wa7ad fi brassou 3a2el bi sawwet la shakhs just because his father was?
The lebanese people in all their sects do not deserve change and reform. They prefer to have wasayet and za3amet. yesteflou...
Like Nicolas Sehnaoui you mean? Enno guys "el jamal eza shef 7erdabto ...".
Kteer heik.

Same applies to Alain Aoun & Gibran Basil. For you guys they were freedom fighters. For the rest of the Lebanese they are the nephew and son-in-law of Michel Aoun. For M14 Nayla and Nadim they are freedom fighters.

It's about time to respect the choice of people and stop calling those who didn't vote for you bala 3a2el and bala mokh.

On a side note, can you tell us why should they vote for Issam Abou Jamra as well? What did he achieve during his life besides being selected by Michel Aoun to be a minister in a government during war that achieved nothing?
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