Achrafieh Hariri? Achrafieh Armenians?

[e.kid]

Originally Posted by Tayyar Keserwen

did u expect anything else from Michel Matni ? enno he's basically repeating what GMA was saying.

And did u expect anything else from Feb14? not relying on Far3oun's services and martyrs? and not underestimating FPM and focusing on the Armenian part?

Waynkoun 3eyshin, nchalla fekerkoun el Achrafie is any different from other cazas.

Ppl are still influenced by the church and traditions and families there. You cant expect to sound credible with regards to the ''3asab orthodox thingy'', yet antagonize Moutran Aoude ( i hate the guy, am not defending him).

You cant expect to win if Issam Abou Jamra barely had any public appearance.

You cant expect to win if u were relying on 8000 Tashnag voters while merely 6000 came.

we managed to win in Keserwen (where families and Bkerke and khadamet play a huge role too) cus we had the right tactics and knew how to work the ground there. We didnt do so in Achrafie, we were worried about defending SSNP be noss din el Achrafie, while AhmadiNajad was at the same time ''3am bibashir'' that the face of the region would change should the Lebanese Opposition win.

Not to mention our choice of candidates, and the level of over-confidence of FPM...

it took some time
but some fpmers are starting to wake up
some are even begining to understand what was going on
hope that will translate in some real candid re-evaluation of everything
bon courage tayyar kessewen and others, you have a long way to go
wish you luck

[hannaalsayssa]

Originally Posted by Tayyar Keserwen

did u expect anything else from Michel Matni ? enno he's basically repeating what GMA was saying.

And did u expect anything else from Feb14? not relying on Far3oun's services and martyrs? and not underestimating FPM and focusing on the Armenian part?

Waynkoun 3eyshin, nchalla fekerkoun el Achrafie is any different from other cazas.

Ppl are still influenced by the church and traditions and families there. You cant expect to sound credible with regards to the ''3asab orthodox thingy'', yet antagonize Moutran Aoude ( i hate the guy, am not defending him).

You cant expect to win if Issam Abou Jamra barely had any public appearance.

You cant expect to win if u were relying on 8000 Tashnag voters while merely 6000 came.

we managed to win in Keserwen (where families and Bkerke and khadamet play a huge role too) cus we had the right tactics and knew how to work the ground there. We didnt do so in Achrafie, we were worried about defending SSNP be noss din el Achrafie, while AhmadiNajad was at the same time ''3am bibashir'' that the face of the region would change should the Lebanese Opposition win.

Not to mention our choice of candidates, and the level of over-confidence of FPM...

if FPM will play the sectraian card like them
i bet you there are way more materials to use against them , than they can use against us.

1-as a starter i will flood Achrafieh with pictures comparing bin laden to sa3doun.
2- flood the place with pictures of milad naddaf ( rip) with captions, no to vote for its killers liberators
3-flood the area with banners showing the church attacked in Acharfief , with backround of the mufti as a sponsor ( which he was) and a caption, that was the beginning.

LOOK THEY USED ALL THESE TACTICS AGAINST US ( SAMER HANNA, PG DEATH, FAQI7 WELAYAT,SYRIA IMAGES, ETC..)
we refused to respond in kind.
take it from personal experience, in our town we beat them at their game and we kept the % of pro mou3arad voters at 65% despite all their efforts.
but you know we faced them head on and bested them at their own game.

FPM NEEDS TO PLAY A LA LEBANESE....no more Mr nice guy.
but we need to do it professionally though.
if not, we will keep being on the defensive and keep nagging.

what better way to neutralize the batrak, than HAVING FEW HUNDREDS OF MOUHAJAREEN HAVING A DEMONSTRATION IN FRONT OF BKERKI HOLDING PICTURES OF THEIR KILLED LOVED ONES BY THE psp AND PICTURES OF THEIR DESTROYED HOMES THAT THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO RETURN TO????????.

AHH, WITH MANY HOLDING BELLS AS SYMBOLS OF THE STOLEN CHURCH BELLS,
AN SOME KIDS AND WOMEN HOLDING PLACCARDS WITH ALL THE CHURCH NAMES THAT WERE DESTROYED BY wello..??????

NOW HOW CAN this batrak weasel himself out of that?

do FPMers/ FPM have the stomach for that?

[Armenian]

Originally Posted by Tayyar Keserwen

did u expect anything else from Michel Matni ? enno he's basically repeating what GMA was saying.

And did u expect anything else from Feb14? not relying on Far3oun's services and martyrs? and not underestimating FPM and focusing on the Armenian part?

Waynkoun 3eyshin, nchalla fekerkoun el Achrafie is any different from other cazas.

Ppl are still influenced by the church and traditions and families there. You cant expect to sound credible with regards to the ''3asab orthodox thingy'', yet antagonize Moutran Aoude ( i hate the guy, am not defending him).

You cant expect to win if Issam Abou Jamra barely had any public appearance.

You cant expect to win if u were relying on 8000 Tashnag voters while merely 6000 came.

we managed to win in Keserwen (where families and Bkerke and khadamet play a huge role too) cus we had the right tactics and knew how to work the ground there. We didnt do so in Achrafie, we were worried about defending SSNP be noss din el Achrafie, while AhmadiNajad was at the same time ''3am bibashir'' that the face of the region would change should the Lebanese Opposition win.

Not to mention our choice of candidates, and the level of over-confidence of FPM...

The easiest thing to do after a loss is to blame others... Instead of doing that let's sit down and learn from our mistakes...

In Ashrafieh something went wrong in the christian votes...

Without the Sunni and Shi3a votes the results are as follows:

M14 --> 16801
Opp --> 15638

This including 5500 votes to the opposition by the Armenians and only 1500 to M14.

Thank you!!

[>Watani<]

Originally Posted by danny z

el video ma 2elou ma3na ma 7ada 7eki 3an ba22yet el 2oumour.
ashrafiyye could have swung both ways, nobody knew how it was going to be because they had not voted since forever. it ended up being decided by the sunni vote, but again the sunni vote alone is not the problem. if christian voters of ashrafiyye were not half stupid the sunni vote couldn't have made things swing to the other side, anyway they deserve what they got, now let them ask nayla and nadim to disarm hezbolla.

شعبٌ إذا ضرب الحذاء برأسه, صاح الحذاء لأي ذنبٍ إضرب

بنظري، الأشرفية لم تكن أبداً تتأرجح بين الطرفين، أنا لم أكن على الأرض ولكننيّ أدرك تكوين هذه المنطقة وأعرف رأس المدبرّ والمخططّ لكل البرامج التي أعدّت لسحق التيار الوطني الحرّ في الأشرفية


ترجيح الكفّ لم يتوقفّ عند التصويت السنيّ فقط، بل أتوا أيضاً بأشخاص من الطائفة الدرزية يقطنون في كسروان ليدلوا بأصواتهم! لقد عملوا بجدّ على جميع الطوائف وهذا ما لم يحصل لدى التيار الوطني الحرّ
أمّا إستعمال السلاح فهو حجّة فقط لضرب المعارضة وكسر شوكتها وخنق جمهورها. فهل صدّقت ما كان يقوله نديم أن نايله خلال خطاباتهم؟ هم لا يصدقون أنفسهم! هكذا كانت الخطة رسمت من أجل غاية واحدة! تنفذت الخطة أم لم تتنفذ! تحققّت الوعود أم لم تتحققّ! ما يهمهمّ؟ هل سيكونون أفضل من أسلافهم؟
أنت لا ترى معناة هذا الفيديو، يمكن أن لا يكون له معنى حسب قولك، ولكن العماد عون والتيار الوطني الحرّ وعد الشعب بالفوز في هذه الدائرة مع مؤشرات مريحة اكتسبها من فريق العمل الذي فشل بصدقيّته

[Danny Z]

Originally Posted by Armenian

The easiest thing to do after a loss is to blame others... Instead of doing that let's sit down and learn from our mistakes...

In Ashrafieh something went wrong in the christian votes...

Without the Sunni and Shi3a votes the results are as follows:

M14 --> 16801
Opp --> 15638

This including 5500 votes to the opposition by the Armenians and only 1500 to M14.

Thank you!!

I will tell you what went wrong, Lebanese were given independence in 1943, and another time in 2005.

[Danny Z]

Originally Posted by >Watani<

بنظري، الأشرفية لم تكن أبداً تتأرجح بين الطرفين، أنا لم أكن على الأرض ولكننيّ أدرك تكوين هذه المنطقة وأعرف رأس المدبرّ والمخططّ لكل البرامج التي أعدّت لسحق التيار الوطني الحرّ في الأشرفية


ترجيح الكفّ لم يتوقفّ عند التصويت السنيّ فقط، بل أتوا أيضاً بأشخاص من الطائفة الدرزية يقطنون في كسروان ليدلوا بأصواتهم! لقد عملوا بجدّ على جميع الطوائف وهذا ما لم يحصل لدى التيار الوطني الحرّ
أمّا إستعمال السلاح فهو حجّة فقط لضرب المعارضة وكسر شوكتها وخنق جمهورها. فهل صدّقت ما كان يقوله نديم أن نايله خلال خطاباتهم؟ هم لا يصدقون أنفسهم! هكذا كانت الخطة رسمت من أجل غاية واحدة! تنفذت الخطة أم لم تتنفذ! تحققّت الوعود أم لم تتحققّ! ما يهمهمّ؟ هل سيكونون أفضل من أسلافهم؟
أنت لا ترى معناة هذا الفيديو، يمكن أن لا يكون له معنى حسب قولك، ولكن العماد عون والتيار الوطني الحرّ وعد الشعب بالفوز في هذه الدائرة مع مؤشرات مريحة اكتسبها من فريق العمل الذي فشل بصدقيّته

Armenian just posted the Christian votes, stop blaming sunni, shi3a, durzi, boudi ballouta, you are giving too much credit for the Lebanese people.
Fi wa7ad fi brassou 3a2el bi sawwet la shakhs just because his father was?
The lebanese people in all their sects do not deserve change and reform. They prefer to have wasayet and za3amet. yesteflou...

[joe tayyar]

Originally Posted by hannaalsayssa

Armenians were not sneaked or tajanassou as part of a demographic genocide.

ye3ni what reactions do you expect from a people when over night they become minority in their village????????????.

beirut1, thousands of sunnis suddenly are part of its lawa2e7?why is that?????????.

why not in the same spirit of tadamoun, send like 20000 shia to danniye and tripoli? or dont think far..

4000 shia in saida will do teh trick.
i bet u if we try such a thing in saida, wlek in bora bora they will agitate against such a move, and a new wolrd wide jihad will be declared on the act perpetrators.

i dont think that the na2el el nofous finished , they will do their best to move some to kesserwan, maten ,and other areas whe GMA won
FPM and the opposition should fight that from now.2013 is coming cant sacrifice seats

[Joumana Gebara]

Let us be frank to each others. Did you really believe for one second that FPM list will win in Ashrafieh?

The choice of Ashrafieh's candidate and the policy in Ashrafieh was never in the favor of FPM.

Let us simply take Sehnaoui (Sa7, nawi) as an example. Sehnaoui is the cousin of Pharaon and did not even get the support of his own family. Sehnaoui's uncle and father remind me of Gaby and Michel Murr who fought till death during the elections. Sehnaoui's uncle was the main supporter of Nayla Tueini's campaign even more than Choueiri, Sehnaoui's uncle who owns the Societe Generale 7at kil te2lo ta ysa2et Sehnaoui, ye3ne how could you believe for a moment that "fundamental Christian speeches" were the only reason. Hounaka ma wara2a al kawaliss!

Then we have Poussy el Ashkar who used during Aoun's era to be istikhbaret tiraz awal and get Lebanese who were against Aoun out of their houses to majeless ta2dibye (ye3ne yde2owon atle lil chabeb), do you think the people forgot it? Or you think people forgot Poussy's declaration 2 days before the election that he does not agree with Aoun's visit to Syria and lots of other subjects? This gave a boost to the other side's credibility and the voter thought that choosing Nayla and Nadim is actually the right choice since Poussy himself is not convinced about Aoun. Let us stop kidding each others: Lebanese live on 3atfe w khayel...and the role of the media is crucial, it forms their opinion.

So before criticizing Armenians who played an extremely marginal role in the whole elections, FPM must begin criticizing itself

w hayda kello b2oulo bi kil ma7abe wa i7tiram, just swallow it and try to get on the right track, ye3ne ma tenzel2o bil khoutab el ta2efe la2an mich l khoutab ken l mechkleh, el asbeb ta3adadet and what I mentioned is only part of a lot of accumulated reasons which led to failure.

[>Watani<]

Originally Posted by Danny Z

Armenian just posted the Christian votes, stop blaming sunni, shi3a, durzi, boudi ballouta, you are giving too much credit for the Lebanese people.
Fi wa7ad fi brassou 3a2el bi sawwet la shakhs just because his father was?
The lebanese people in all their sects do not deserve change and reform. They prefer to have wasayet and za3amet. yesteflou...

loool you didn't understand what I said, I don't blame anyone even the lebanese people because they are not taught about the new system of change & reform! You blamed the sunni votes who changed the results, I'm telling you that the =/= isn't from sunni votes only!!
cha3b bado i3adet te2hil and not saying that gma speech in achrafieh will do miracles! Our work will do miracles... This was not the right way we used to play elections.

[Sami.NJ]

Originally Posted by Danny Z

Armenian just posted the Christian votes, stop blaming sunni, shi3a, durzi, boudi ballouta, you are giving too much credit for the Lebanese people.
Fi wa7ad fi brassou 3a2el bi sawwet la shakhs just because his father was?
The lebanese people in all their sects do not deserve change and reform. They prefer to have wasayet and za3amet. yesteflou...

i have to agree with Danny on everything he said. Stop blaming others. We lost because we didn't play the game right. Thats it. Please no more sunni this and sunni that, I started to feel like GMA is trying to be like BG, all he cares about is tawtin and christian christian rights, its not working.

Part of me is saying that he is going with HA that far because he feels that HA is his last lost hope to stop tawtin. If thats what he has in his mind, then he is on the wrong track.

FPM lost the battle of the presidential elections, we lost with the 1960 law, we goined the goverment and all our miniters lost the elections. In life there is winning and there is misery.

FPM should make it very easy and simple, we are looking to change the whole system. Change and reform. Civil country. NO T'efia. If the Lebanese people don't like it, then the hell with them.