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  • 3azim is every lebanese (mostly students) who went to the street during the syrian occupation and demonstrated against this occupation !
  • 3azim is every leabnese, who was arrested (instead of others) by the syrians and their lebanese agents !
  • 3azim is every lebanese, who took a "shower" (instead of others) just for beeing anti occupation !
  • 3azim is every lebanese, who yelled DURING the occupation: horriyi siyedi w iste2lel (instead of others) !
  • 3azim is eevry lebanese, who fought the syrian occupation before and after 13 octobre 1990 !
  • 3azim is every lebanese, who fought against the israelian occupation !
  • 3azimi is every family, who lost someone foughting against the israelian occupation !
  • 3azim is every lebanese fought against the israelian war against lebanon in july 2006 !
  • 3azimi is every family, who lost someone fighting the israelian !
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If you still need more just ask
3azimi is your answers. Well said Jerry!!

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4- Despite all, to GMA, you will remain the Great People, and as this article stated, you can be sure that whatever he may do, even if you find it weird or strange, you can know that he will never sell you neither for a presidency nor for the money of the world.

Now, all this is applicable for the ones who used to believe in GMA and now find themselves lost or disappointed or even angry. However for the ones who used to consider themselves FPM or pro-FPM and today despise GMA and say things only in the intent to hurt, well these people may not know it themselves, but there were never FPMers to start with.
Youchka, thanks first because you took the time to read this long article, and second, because you are really 3azimé (if you're a lady) just like he wants us to be!!
We should not be as "superficiels" (this is french) as they want us to be. We should see "further than our noses" (this is arabic) just like him!!!
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Well here you are forgetting that some of these people, unlike the "new be" that we have, didn't actually wait 15 years to go down on the street. Since day one of the Holy Taef agreement they said no to the Syrian regime, and despite everything that is being said today to minimize their sacrifces and actually take credit for them, these people paid high prices (political alienation, personal insecurity, jail, beating, humiliation....)to see their goal achieved. And therefore when this bunch of new be refer to themselves as March 14, it doesn't really annoy me personally because as hard as they try, they would not erase the fact that others have had 15 March 14 before them.
Well dear,it seems that u r forgetting that part of 14 march was calling the syrians out since the mid seventies and fought them till martyrdom.
Do not forget that u r not more lebanese than others eventhough they didn't go to jail and got humiliation.
Syrian regime got their influence in Lebanon because part of the people didn't get their equal rights as other lebanese got(eventhough the Terkibe was humiliating common people sense.
And remember that Taef was the fruit of MA.If he worked right we shouldn't have been in this mess...
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Well dear,it seems that u r forgetting that part of 14 march was calling the syrians out since the mid seventies and fought them till martyrdom.
Do not forget that u r not more lebanese than others eventhough they didn't go to jail and got humiliation.
Syrian regime got their influence in Lebanon because part of the people didn't get their equal rights as other lebanese got(eventhough the Terkibe was humiliating common people sense.
And remember that Taef was the fruit of MA.If he worked right we shouldn't have been in this mess...
Dear Hanna,
Who are these people who fought the syrians till martyrdom? Please specify so I can discuss it with you.

I am not claiming to be any more Lebanese than anyone else. I just answered someone who said that we waited 15 years to go to the streets, by telling him that we didn't wait 15 years and went down to the streets since day 1. Now it's one thing not to be in jail as you said, but a totally different thing being at the table of the honorable Ghazi Kanaan and Khaddam.

I would also appreciate if you would explain furthur this to me "Syrian regime got their influence in Lebanon because part of the people didn't get their equal rights as other lebanese got".

As for the taef agreement, yes you are right GMA should have accepted as most of the others did, to sell this country to the US and Syria and for the matter of fact Hariri, then, we all would have been really really pleased.
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The problem that the choices he's taken (as well as other christian leaders) are more tactical than strategical
Could you ellaborate on that a bit further please?
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The article is based on a very wong assumption: I can't find any 3azim in "Cha3b loubnan".
If you do, pls enlighten me (I am serious, not sarcastic).

Now, we don't need to go back to the past because, you will find many who consider GMA moves (the two wars, his life in france and poltiical moves) as great while you will find many others who consider them as disastrous.

The problem that the choices he's taken (as well as other christian leaders) are more tactical than strategical and are keeping the christian divided on a project while Hariri/WJ and HA are sharing the cake and laughing at us.
30 years of war, and people are planning to come back, and most of them came back

30 years of war, and people still love the country and work for it from the inside and the outside (excluding you)

30 years of war, and peace came back beleiving that no one can take off the other

16 years of corruption and the Lebanese "3ouzama2" are still planning to get the money back

16 years of corruption, and the Lebanese "3ouzama2" are still fighting corruption and those who can't live without it.

a new war occured, people started to love their country more...

this is cha3b loubnan al 3azim, if you don't feel concerned i kindly ask you to get rid of your Lebanese ID and get another one...

العمادْ عونْ يَعزُلْ و لا يُعزَلْ
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Start learning how to deal with it...

and about the christians, if you can see it clearly, for the 1st time christians are not one sided which is better for the christians and for all...

Being one sided causes wars, and it already happened
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please.. Maybe the word '3azim was extracted from said akl ' but what I tell you we fought agressively in souq el gharb , bsous and everywhere in october 13 , and we were and still we are the legal entity In lebanon .. I give a big bow for the army and the people who died for Lebanon whether in front of the syrian lines or israelis but I tell you .. GMA is a very logical person , he ws the legal person in 1988 and SG was the first who attacked the Leb Army when he sent the Leb forces to Rabieh. So GMA knew that all forces should be united in one legal force the Lebanese Army. But SG still thinks till now that the christians are Leb forces yet GMa proved him wrong several times.. since 1988.. WE FOUGHT against Syrian regime.. I rememebr we were in the university when we used to get caught by the army and put in the ' rio ' and stay two nights outside our homes .. asking questions and from where we are getting money to pay for the pictures of GMA .. Yes they used to get freightened by GMA picture .. so Imagine now , he is live here in Rabieh ... I will tell you the victory is coming and the cha3b will be again heart to heart shouting to let the governement resign.. . To whomever thinks that he will not see the cha3b el 3azim .. he will see it soon and definetly sooooooooooon
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Let me introduce myself first, I am christian who have been behing the FPM for the past fifteen years, but I do not consider myself anymore backing GMA or will back him in any future elections, (Frankly Speaking)

This does not mean that I currently follow anyother group. I like thousands of christian nowadays (Lost)

Can someone tell me why all the currently pro-syrians back GMA now? It is a tactic by them to fight the anti syrians in Labanon now.

Can soneone tell me why GMA has allied with HA & the pro-syrian? It is a tactic by him in order to survive the boycott they have put on him.

Can someone tell me if GMA agree with his alliances and with their look at political life in labanon? Offcourse no. he does not agree and I am sure of that, it is only becuase he was boycott by 14 March, that he decide to ally (Collaborate) with them, thinking that by doing so he will survive? (there was other good choices for him to do or take).

Can someone tell me why pictures of GMA are posted now in Syria? They see him as good opposer to 14 March, they are using him.

Can someone tell me if acts of GMA are tactical or strategical, and also acts of pro-syrian towards GMA, tactical or stratigical? I think both are playing a tactical acts towards the other, and when either reaches what he is looking after, he will leave this ally game. I frankly hope that GMA will first reach his goals from this ally and leave them, rather than they reach their goals and LEAVE HIM.

Regards to hal cha3eb el azeem who suffer from the mistakes of his leaders.
he is really azeem with his patience and tolerance
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listen....wether you admit it or not syria is out and the talks of prosyrian and antisyrian, is not very relevant anymore.It is true that the general's current allies are "prosyrians" and it is because GMA knows that they are a very important part of our comunity that cant be cast aside and working with them is smarter than attacking them like everyone else does.....btw it is very easy to insult and attack the syrians after they are out like everyone is doing and i mean everyone.but courage is attacking syrians while they were still here and moving on when they leave and that is what GMA is doing......in my opinion he is the only one with " Mesda2yeh"
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thank yu for sharing this post with us i think it's 100% true some people has lost there "NATIONALITY"
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