3 months and still no government

[shadow1]

Originally Posted by GMA forever

In your opinion, should Hariri form a government alone with his allies without the opposition in it, i.e. no national unity government? Will he be able to do it? sidelining again 2 major sects in Lebanon? And if he succeeds to form such a one coloured government, do you think it will lead again to another 7th of May war? Will there be another sit in in downtown? Will Beirut find itself injured again?

Those are all unanswered questions, I would like to know what each one of you think about it. Please keep the debate respectful, and state your opinion freely.

Having a "one coloured" government n this atmosphere of polarisation is not the wisest thing to do and yes it makes another & May quite possible. Not that it is a bad thing. It often help people let off steam and after a bout of killing the country seems to propser again, as if it lives off dead people.
The important thing though is to examine what led to this crisis and try to find the necessary constitutional mechanism to avert a similar outcome in the future. leaving the country at the whim of petulant leaders who cares more about scoring hollow political points than actually finding the remedies to these debacles.

My solution is to pass a law making it a crime for Lebanese politicians to be in politics. They have proved time and time again their ineptitute, their recklessness and their appalling indifference to the good of the country.

And who bears the ultimate responsibility? It's the people who vote them in without realising that they are a feeble crew that has no capacity to work together in harmony or compromise.

As to your question whether Beirut will find itself injured gain the answer is it ought to. Poor little city so much glitter on the outside and so much rot in the inside.

[Shuyu3i]

I am actually against Bassil retaining the portfolio just because he lost in the elections and this is what GMA said in 2005. He was a good minister better than most but we have to respect the peoples wishes. But that doesn't mean you have to lay into FPM. Hariri is using this as he sees fit which is wrong. He named the ministers that FPM were going to have for god sake!! I dont know how in his mind he thought that this is going 2 work.

My first and foremost priority is that the president regains his rights immediately so we can show these idiots and especially jouzou that the christians are not for sale!!

[Venom]

does it make a difference with or without a gov?

[TayyaRevolution]

Originally Posted by Shuyu3i

I am actually against Bassil retaining the portfolio just because he lost in the elections and this is what GMA said in 2005. He was a good minister better than most but we have to respect the peoples wishes. But that doesn't mean you have to lay into FPM. Hariri is using this as he sees fit which is wrong. He named the ministers that FPM were going to have for god sake!! I dont know how in his mind he thought that this is going 2 work.

My first and foremost priority is that the president regains his rights immediately so we can show these idiots and especially jouzou that the christians are not for sale!!

You reasoning is baseless.

Firstly, give us a quote that Aoun said losers cant be in government?

Secondly, we never nominated Bassil. The majority spread his name in the media. Aoun said it was all rumours. Then when the attacks heated up, Aoun nkeyeh fiyoun now insists on Bassil.

Thirdly, it is up to C&R bloc to nominate it's OWN ministers and who represents it in government. This is our internal business. Whether we nominate Bassil or not, is none of their business. Another important point, since we believe in the seperation of powers and accountability, nominating non-MP persons is indeed true to our values. And to round up this point, Bassil represents FPM and C&R bloc didn't lose the elections. In fact it's representation increased. Therefore, C&R can choose anyone it deems fit and suitable to represent it.

Fourthly, on the Feb14 logic - give me a legal or constitutional basis that says losers cant be in government? The notion of rejecting Bassil' appointmnet based on no legal or constitutional grounds, is in itself an obstruction to government.

Fifthly, why wasn't Bassil nomination a problem in 2008? Even Abu Jamra? Mario Aoun? Marouni? N. Lahoud?

Sixthly, for humour purpose, can someone explain again, the logic of Feb14..... how, in their opinion, a a person who doesn't run at all, can be in govt, and is reflective of the will of the people?

[Beirut]

Ask yourself

Why did he resign if he's to be nominated again?

Why didn't he simply propose a new government where he does not honor the 15+10+5 formula?

Now he put the country back to square 0.

[TayyaRevolution]

Originally Posted by Beirut

Ask yourself

Why did he resign if he's to be nominated again?

Why didn't he simply propose a new government where he does not honor the 15+10+5 formula?

Now he put the country back to square 0.

Coz it will take another month or two to "re-negotiate" a forumua. Then another 3 months to "re-negotiate" portfolios. And who knows, depending on the mood of the US and Saudi's, he may well repeat the drama play from the past few days, and the cycle repeats again.

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by GMA forever

Do you think that Sa3d Hariri is able to form a so called march 14 alone government? If yes, why didn't he do it already?

Is there anything in the book that says he can't? Why hasn't he done it already... Maybe because he's yet to calculate the outcomes of doing so? Clearly he's not running the show, he just receives orders and we've been hanged with strings for so long without anyone either raising or dropping us because such is the international political situation...

[TayyaRevolution]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

Is there something in the book that says he can't? Why hasn't he done it already is maybe because he's yet to calculate the outcomes of doing so.

Preamble:
j. There is no constitutional legitimacy for any authority which contradicts the 'pact of communal coexistence'.

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Article 95:
(3) During the transitional phase:
a. The confessional groups are to be represented in a just and equitable fashion in the formation of the Cabinet.

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[Red Phoenix]

as long as we have a kid name harriri around who wont grow up with lots of money and many ppl behind him this country is going to hell with flying colors.

that is my conclusion over this deja vu crisis.

Saad is the crisis

his approach to matters was and still is cosmically horrible

let's suppose for a sec that he did form a normal unity government, how on earth wont he run it into the ground like everything else that died under his hands here?

any one who has saniora and okab sakr and jozzo as his knights of the round table is someone missing his marbles, PM or not

heck, he killed the government because he wants to teach gma a dhimitude lesson through bassil

and he talks about unity..

he was and still is THE problem facing this country

i always said there is nothing more dangerous than a stupid rich 'leader'.

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by TAYYAR AL AOUNI

Preamble:
j. There is no constitutional legitimacy for any authority which contradicts the 'pact of communal coexistence'.

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Article 95:
(3) During the transitional phase:
a. The confessional groups are to be represented in a just and equitable fashion in the formation of the Cabinet.

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That's your book :D For the past few years 14ers have been reading a different novel. So why wouldn't they follow up with a new edition?