28 February 2005 ---- 28 February 2006

[Diabolo_7]

Originally Posted by FutureVision

Diabolo,

Please let's talk and let's put emotions aside. Ok, Do we agree? I really don't want to be bombarded and dragged into other issues that make no progress in our discussions whatsoever. And we are not contesting here. We are discussing abbout what's best for OUR country! Remember, OUR country!

Did Mr. Saad assume the PM position? No, right! It was sanyora. And it was a great call because I don't believe he was the right choice to assume that position.

Allow me to think the same way about GMA! can I? I don't believe it's to the best of Lebanon's interest for GMA to assume the presidential chair. GMA has beared lots of baggage from the past. We are talking about the future to be president of all Lebanon and not just LFPM. This stance if taken by GMA will gain him much respect, I guarantee you. That's my opinion. Furthermore, others in LFPM may enjoy that quality, and why not others then? Why rule out other options?

Yi3ni, ma3leshi, let's all of us bite the bullet for the sake of this country. The more I research LFPM the more I feel it's a one man show type movement. What will happen if GMA is not around us, God forbid? Has anybody thought about that? Why is it my way or no other way? haram hal balad

Futurevision,

Is it possible for anyone other than FM to assume the prime minister position? (i will wait for ur answer on that)

GMA and Saad do not carry the same resemblance. Saad is a 34yr old newbie that was propelled to the political scene after the tragic death of his father. So it was a logical choice that Sanyoura became prime minister while Saad learns the tricks of the trade.
However, GMA is a 71 yr old seasoned politician. He is the best that FPM can offer, and we wouldnt stop short of offering the best.

Let me ask you another question, If Rafic Hariri (RIP) was still alive, would FM have chosen Sanyoura for the same position?

Furthermore, you say, You dont believe that GMA is the best suited for the position, well can you please provide us with your perception of why not GMA, and then we can lead a more fruitful discussion...

Regards

[FutureVision]

Originally Posted by Diabolo_7

Futurevision,

Is it possible for anyone other than FM to assume the prime minister position? (i will wait for ur answer on that)

GMA and Saad do not carry the same resemblance. Saad is a 34yr old newbie that was propelled to the political scene after the tragic death of his father. So it was a logical choice that Sanyoura became prime minister while Saad learns the tricks of the trade.
However, GMA is a 71 yr old seasoned politician. He is the best that FPM can offer, and we wouldnt stop short of offering the best.

Let me ask you another question, If Rafic Hariri (RIP) was still alive, would FM have chosen Sanyoura for the same position?

Furthermore, you say, You dont believe that GMA is the best suited for the position, well can you please provide us with your perception of why not GMA, and then we can lead a more fruitful discussion...

Regards

3la rasi,

You're missing my point that I'm trying to make I believe. You think and you believe and you are certain and whatever you want that GMA is the best to lead such a position but realistically GMA lacks consensus of all the Lebanese even within his own sect. Or do you really think that all the Lebanese are anxious to see no one but GMA? You can't force a person to assume a position not everybody sees it as being the best fit ESPECIALLY a presidential position. If you think that your program is great then fight to have it implemented. Again, you are implying that only GMA can resolve your dreams. One more time, what will you do if GMA is not around?.

I don't want to get in the comparison that you had touched on because if I did we will loose track. I have learned that from an experience. Again we are not contesting here. I think I am being objective..NO?

Please, Tell me who else is qualified to be president other than GMA... anyone else? If you can't name one other real candidate than in my opinion LFPM shoud have a genuine concern.

Regarding your last paragraph, I will restate what I said earlier about not desiring to go through a description spree. We can do do that privately because it would do the audiance no good except agitating their emotions.

[Lebanon]

Originally Posted by FutureVision

3la rasi,

You're missing my point that I'm trying to make I believe. You think and you believe and you are certain and whatever you want that GMA is the best to lead such a position but realistically GMA lacks consensus of all the Lebanese even within his own sect. Or do you really think that all the Lebanese are anxious to see no one but GMA? You can't force a person to assume a position not everybody sees it as being the best fit ESPECIALLY a presidential position. If you think that your program is great then fight to have it implemented. Again, you are implying that only GMA can resolve your dreams. One more time, what will you do if GMA is not around?.

I don't want to get in the comparison that you had touched on because if I did we will loose track. I have learned that from an experience. Again we are not contesting here. I think I am being objective..NO?

Please, Tell me who else is qualified to be president other than GMA... anyone else? If you can't name one other real candidate than in my opinion LFPM shoud have a genuine concern.

Regarding your last paragraph, I will restate what I said earlier about not desiring to go through a description spree. We can do do that privately because it would do the audiance no good except agitating their emotions.

I think you are being object and you do have a point. Aoun isn't the sole person to have the secret recipe for saving the country, althogh he might be among those who do.

The way I see it is that people are so much attached with the "presidency for Aoun" idea due to the lack of alternatives. When compared with Aoun, neither Nayla nor Nassib nor Soueid are competent (or popular) enough and have the criteria you mentioned to hold on to the presidency. If those, who don't see in Aoun the future president, don't come up with a better alternative then your question on why not Aoun is not valid. Is there an alternative?

When you say "consensus of all the Lebanese" do you mean that you will stand against any president that doesn't have that consensus? and How far does that consensus reach? I would also appreciate to know some consensus candidates that you have in mind.

[FutureVision]

Originally Posted by Lebanon

When you say "consensus of all the Lebanese" do you mean that you will stand against any president that doesn't have that consensus? and How far does that consensus reach? I would also appreciate to know some consensus candidates that you have in mind.

What I meant about consensus is the person and not LFPM perse. The discussion is not revolving around other candidates of other parties, we are zeroing-in within LFPM goal and program.

All I am saying in short " what is more important the program or the person?". If you can't get the person there would you sacrifice the program as well? If not, who are you alternative candidates?.

[Lebanon]

After several discussiong on this forum, I can safely say that FPMers won't start thinking of an alternative without you answering the question of "why not Aoun?"

As far as I know, there is no other candidate that FPM currently supports or is willing to support.

[Diabolo_7]

Originally Posted by FutureVision

3la rasi,

You're missing my point that I'm trying to make I believe. You think and you believe and you are certain and whatever you want that GMA is the best to lead such a position but realistically GMA lacks consensus of all the Lebanese even within his own sect. Or do you really think that all the Lebanese are anxious to see no one but GMA? You can't force a person to assume a position not everybody sees it as being the best fit ESPECIALLY a presidential position. If you think that your program is great then fight to have it implemented. Again, you are implying that only GMA can resolve your dreams. One more time, what will you do if GMA is not around?.

I don't want to get in the comparison that you had touched on because if I did we will loose track. I have learned that from an experience. Again we are not contesting here. I think I am being objective..NO?

Please, Tell me who else is qualified to be president other than GMA... anyone else? If you can't name one other real candidate than in my opinion LFPM shoud have a genuine concern.

Regarding your last paragraph, I will restate what I said earlier about not desiring to go through a description spree. We can do do that privately because it would do the audiance no good except agitating their emotions.

Futurevision,

we are not in one of those 99.99% regimes, no one should have consensus, heck this is what democracy is about, the right to differ...
What you said about GMA is true, however it applies to Saad Hariri, Walid Jumblatt, Nabih Berri, Fouad Sanyoura...can you tell me that the aformentioned have the consensus within their sects
Who told you that another candidate will have that consensus you are looking for...
Regarding what we will do if GMA is not around, we will do what FM did when Hariri (RIP) was assasinated, they moved on... As long as the option is viable, we dont need a plan B.
Since you consider that FPM is about the program, and since you agree that the program is good enough to be implemented, so you shouldnt care about who is implementing it as long as it is being done.

To sum up, I still dont get your answers to my question why not Aoun?

Regards