27 C&R Bloc MPs 2009-2013

[MockingBird]

Originally Posted by CitizenOfTheRepublic

Let me start by thanking all the volunteers and people who put so much hard work and effort into this campaign. You guys and gals did great but unfortunately luck was not on our side.

That said I hope FPM will form a comittee to investigate where it fell short and how things could be done better.

Maybe i will sound too much of a marketing person, but I honestly think that FPM is a wonderful political product, with room for improvement in the way it markets itself.

This is not the end everyone!!! This is the time where one's valor and honor come out, the time where we admit failure not to curl up in a fetal position and cry, but to start working for success.

We didn't give up for 20 years, and we won't any time soon.

nothing in the elctoral machine my friend
maybe in this country things need to move bit slower
maybe FPM need to learn how to become a more lebanese party
maybe going to syria after the elections would have been smarter
maybe having allies like HA does not give a good image
maybe you just can't work agaisnt the histroical line of a certain group
maybe you need to analyse more the collective memory of lebanese christians
I'm really sad for christians in this country
WE NEED A PARTY FOCUSED ON CHRISTIAN PROBLEMS AND INSPIRATIONS
THIS IS WHAT FPM NEED TO WORK ON - PRIORITY NUMBER ONE

[Sami.NJ]

Originally Posted by MockingBird

nothing in the elctoral machine my friend
maybe in this country things need to move bit slower
maybe FPM need to learn how to become a more lebanese party
maybe going to syria after the elections would have been smarter
maybe having allies like HA does not give a good image
maybe you just can't work agaisnt the histroical line of a certain group
maybe you need to analyse more the collective memory of lebanese christians
I'm really sad for christians in this country
WE NEED A PARTY FOCUSED ON CHRISTIAN PROBLEMS AND INSPIRATIONS
THIS IS WHAT FPM NEED TO WORK ON - PRIORITY NUMBER ONE

I agree with first part of your post about Syira and moving slow. But i can't agree with the Christian right things. We spent 4 years talking and got us no where but backwards. We just need to be Lebanese party and thats it.

[Addoun Kelloun]

Originally Posted by sev

man, i cant sleep.. the forum is full of disappointment..

we got worse then the worst scenario we thought of..

Why is that man !! Tayyar won Jbeil, Keserwan, Maten, Jezzine, Babbda, and SF won all of Zagharta !! Plus Zahle might turn out different if the story of those 12 boxes is true !!

AK

[unitedlb]

Originally Posted by Aoun is rou2yaweh

X, what will we do now????
Do you have any news from Aoun.
This is the saddest day of my life.
Tfeh 3al cha3b el lebneneh!

Mate, trust me, life is a lot harder than losing elections. You'll forget about this in a week. However, there are somethings that happen in your life that you will never forget and which leave a black hole in your life forever. Life is a lot bigger than elections. Baseeta.

We should hold our heads high. We did really well. Sure it was below our expectations, but nothing wrong in aiming high. Look at things in perspective. We held all the areas that we occupied except Zahle. And Zahle was always going to be extremely difficult to win given the demographic advantage that the loyalists had. Although we lost Zahle, we won 3 seats in Jezzine, 3 seats in Zgharta, 4 seats in Baabda, 1 seat in Aley, 1 seat in Baalback and 1 seat in Beirut II. So we lost 6 seats in one district but gained 13 seats in 6 different districts. That's an extra 7 seats (excluding Murr), that we won when compared to 2005 and we now have representatives in a further 6 regions. C&R is 27 seats, 20 of which are FPM or pro-FPM independents. That's a good sized block, over 21% of the parliament. Compare this to the Lebanese Forces who have actually gone backwards. They won 6 MPs in 2005 and just 5 this year. The Kataeb only have 4 seats, the ahrar just 1. The Kataeb, LF, Ahrar and ketle wataniyye combined only have 10 seats. That's 2.7 times less than our block combined. We were fighting so many parties, the money, demographic shifts, the batrak, the president, the propaganda campaign of 'wileyet lfakih' and the very well-thought out plan of the American administration that bore fruit.

Mabrouk March 14 for winning parliamentary majority. Hard luck LF for losing 1 seat. Mabrouk FPM for gaining more seats than in 2005. Hopefully in 4 years time, a PR law will give us a fairer system and an advantage over this law. However, 4 years is a long time and so much will happen between now and then, as we witnessed over the last 4 years. The struggle is not over and will never be. Tararattat General! Congratulations FPM. You did us all proud and you should all hold your heads high.

[Jumpo]

Originally Posted by Sami.NJ

WOW. the more i read about the results all over for Lebanon, it seems to me that FPM was not ready for these elections, didn't plan right.

Win or lose FPM should really change alot. it seems we just fought the wrong fights. We didn't play with rules of the game. Here are some of those stupid battles:

1) Presidential elections. GMA had no shot of winning. Period. We will never have a normal elections ever again when FPM refused to elect from the first time. Now everytime someone doesn't like the candidate, they won't go to the parlimant. So they will have to agree on a person before the elections. Bad.

2) Being part of the goverment for one year hurt us more. Every C&R minister lost the election. We should have waited our turn. Bassil talked too much. He may have done a good job but at the end of the day he was just doing his job. We made him GOD.

3) PM is the most important position in Lebanon now. And that should have been our goal from day 1. Winning the elections should have the only that we need to work on. Nothing else.

4) we kept attacking the PM position and asking for more power for the president that made look soooooooo bad in the sunni street. We should have waited for after the election to open that battle. Hariri brought the fights to our area and we didn't take the fight to his areas. He had it easy.

5) lets stop the "christians rights" talk. It didn't do us any good. We acutally lost alot of votes in the so called christian areas. And we didn't gain any votes in the sunni street. I thought we are better than that. We should be bigger than that. Sad to say FM is the biggest party in Lebanon today and weather we like or not. 35 mps and good number of it are christians and they actullay won with the caza law.

6) We talked about the Palestinians, Syria, Iran, KSA, USA alot.Way toooo much. These things are bigger than us. We should work on the Lebanese issues more. In the next for years, i don't want to hear FPM talk abpout anything but how can we make the Lebanese people's life better. The Mafia won today and thats sad.

7) We have been lied too, we tallked the talk but didn't walk the walk. OTV and tayyr .org were so bad. the numbers were comiing in so late. its seems that poeple were shocked and stopped working. FPM played us like a drum.

After the election, lots of FPM decision makers should be gone. Those past 4 years should have been about 2009 elections and thats it. Please GMA remove alot people. From today 2013 elections should be the only goal all over Lebanon, Chriatian, Sunni, Shia, druze. all over equally.

You are over-analyzing. The truth is more blatant. Think about it.

FPM offered 3 things:
1- attempt to resolve the weapons issue peacefully
2- a detailed plan to bring Lebanon from a 10th world country to a 3rd world country.
3- start peace with our newly departed occupier.

Hariri and Co Offered:
1- revenge for his father's, Bachir's, Joubran's,...
2- international tribunal that will go after Nasrallah's head...
3- confrontation with Hizbollah
4- fighting the Syrians
5- Paris(n) where 3 < n < 1000
6- continuation of Rafic's heaven in Lebanon (allah y2awmo bil salemi, la 2inno baleh ma mniswa shi)

So you see, even when we faced a hollow opponent without any substance, our 70% became 50% in the Christians street which was enough to lose the close battles and make other battles that were easy much closer.

So this country really has no chance. This is what Jean Aziz wrote about:
13 October 2009. Our 27 MPs are weaker than the 22 we had because of the Christians voting %.

By the time 2013 comes around, Canada would have received a fifth of the people who voted for FPM, and another fifth would have surrendered to Hariri.

I feel sorry for the Lebanese residents they are trapped in a runaway country heading to war (by the way when they get to it, they will blame Michel Aoun).

[Muwatin Libnani]

Originally Posted by Addoun Kelloun

Why is that man !! Tayyar won Jbeil, Keserwan, Maten, Jezzine, Babbda, and SF won all of Zagharta !! Plus Zahle might turn out different if the story of those 12 boxes is true !!

AK

Yes, but how much can the opposition accomplish without having parliamentary majority? hariri will be named PM, Sanioura Minister of Finance, and all the areas you mentioned are likely to suffer from lack of financial resources to fund socio-economic projects...unless private contributors are sought

[changetheword]

In my opinion,
FPM did not loose today. They win; Not a massive win since we lost Beirut 1
However The opposition lost and we shouldn't blame the FPM for that.
SSNP, karame, ferzle, mrad... no one makes it.
Zahle was a surprise; Who was leading Zahle battle? Skaff and FPM didn't see it coming...

[Addoun Kelloun]

Originally Posted by Muwatin Libnani

Yes, but how much can the opposition accomplish without having parliamentary majority? hariri will be named PM, Sanioura Minister of Finance, and all the areas you mentioned are likely to suffer from lack of financial resources to fund socio-economic projects...unless private contributors are sought

You make a good point !! I guess it is the cup half full or half empty theory !! This was an all out war against GMA and FPM and given all the circumstances we did well despite falling short !! let's wait for the dust to settle and see what GMA has to say about all this.

[Muwatin Libnani]

Originally Posted by Jumpo

You are over-analyzing. The truth is more blatant. Think about it.

FPM offered 3 things:
1- attempt to resolve the weapons issue peacefully
2- a detailed plan to bring Lebanon from a 10th world country to a 3rd world country.
3- start peace with our newly departed occupier.

Hariri and Co Offered:
1- revenge for his father's, Bachir's, Joubran's,...
2- international tribunal that will go after Nasrallah's head...
3- confrontation with Hizbollah
4- fighting the Syrians
5- Paris(n) where 3 < n < 1000
6- continuation of Rafic's heaven in Lebanon (allah y2awmo bil salemi, la 2inno baleh ma mniswa shi)

So you see, even when we faced a hollow opponent without any substance, our 70% became 50% in the Christians street which was enough to lose the close battles and make other battles that were easy much closer.

So this country really has no chance. This is what Jean Aziz wrote about:
13 October 2009. Our 27 MPs are weaker than the 22 we had because of the Christians voting %.

By the time 2013 comes around, Canada would have received a fifth of the people who voted for FPM, and another fifth would have surrendered to Hariri.

I feel sorry for the Lebanese residents they are trapped in a runaway country heading to war (by the way when they get to it, they will blame Michel Aoun).

You have a point, but Samy.NJ is not completely off. We focused on restoring power to the presidency while the president was working behind the scene against GMA, and many sunnis on the other saw in GMA a threat to the political gains Taef granted them. In attempting to gain some Christian votes, we alienated some Sunnis. Don't get me wrong, I do not think that GMA had any plans to marginalize the sunnis, he was however perceived as such by many in the sunni street. Also, while I see so many positive in the MOU with HA and I fully support it, some average Christians could not digest well.

In a nutshell, GMA said and did what he felt was the right thing to do. He is a statesman thinking of how best to build a strong republic over the wreckage of a country torn by religious hypersensitivity that is delaying its progress...He could lose votes here and there, but our kids will read about his sound actions and intentions in their history books. We who are living in the present will, however, suffer because he does not reach parliamentary majority to implement his ideas

[Sami.NJ]

Originally Posted by Jumpo

You are over-analyzing. The truth is more blatant. Think about it.

FPM offered 3 things:
1- attempt to resolve the weapons issue peacefully
2- a detailed plan to bring Lebanon from a 10th world country to a 3rd world country.
3- start peace with our newly departed occupier.

Hariri and Co Offered:
1- revenge for his father's, Bachir's, Joubran's,...
2- international tribunal that will go after Nasrallah's head...
3- confrontation with Hizbollah
4- fighting the Syrians
5- Paris(n) where 3 < n < 1000
6- continuation of Rafic's heaven in Lebanon (allah y2awmo bil salemi, la 2inno baleh ma mniswa shi)

So you see, even when we faced a hollow opponent without any substance, our 70% became 50% in the Christians street which was enough to lose the close battles and make other battles that were easy much closer.

So this country really has no chance. This is what Jean Aziz wrote about:
13 October 2009. Our 27 MPs are weaker than the 22 we had because of the Christians voting %.

By the time 2013 comes around, Canada would have received a fifth of the people who voted for FPM, and another fifth would have surrendered to Hariri.

I feel sorry for the Lebanese residents they are trapped in a runaway country heading to war (by the way when they get to it, they will blame Michel Aoun).

I agree with what you are saying. I don't care about what Hariri is offering. At the ened of the day we lost and he won. the man has 35 mps weather we like it or not.
All i am saying is that we didn't paly the game right. I didn't ask to change anything of what we are offering.
GMA is 74 years old or so. Unless he does major work and changes, FPM will be gone. Today was a very big lose, huge. We lost to the mafia. The next 4 years should be about them and thats it. All other talk is useless. HA, arms, Syria, KSA, Sunnis power and chritian rights will get us no where. We should talk about Lebanse people's life and how we can make it better.