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[Zehlawi]

Originally Posted by labayka lebnen

maggie awalan badde echekrek 3ala hal article el 7ilo yalle bel nesbe ilek howe tari2ét dife3ek 3an el tayyar, be ghad el nazar iza chi mni7 wella 3atel
w bel nesbe ilek el neis yallé tghayaro bas mish el tayyar w hal 7ake el gheir chekel yallé ne7na t3awadna nesma3o bel anzimeh el 3arabyeh killa :d min el 2eyed el molham lal 7ezeb el gheir chekel w hal 7aké el fadé yallé ma bezid walla be na2es.
baddé es2alek kam sou2al ya maggie, ne7na ka tayyar watané 7or min el 1990 lal el 2005, ililé kam mouzahara 3melna la ntaleb be raj3et el general 3ala lebnen??
ililé kam mouzahara 3melna aw kam nachat syeseh 3melna aw kam 2e3tissam 3melna kirmel hadaf fardi???
jawebe howe zeroo
ma b7ayeto el tayar 3emel chi kirmel chakhes , ken deyman ta7arokna kirmel addyeh hyeh ta7rir lebnen, baynama halla2 el general be2oul KERMEL 3YOUN JEBRAN MA TET2ALAF EL 7OUKOUMEH, hal hal chi betle2i mni7??? be ghad el nazar 3ala iza ken fe3lan jobran howe yalle m3ar2al el 7oukoumeh.

ma bade fout be ni2ash chakhsé 3ala jebran bassil aw roy el hechem ma3 inno fi ktir nes 3am tetse2al iza bel tayyar killo ma fi neis ajdar ??
sou2al matroo7, iza ne7na be dimocratyeh w be chafefyeh lezem nle2e ajwebeh :d

bekhsous el insen yallé inte bte3tebre inno el insen yallé tghayar mish el tayyar, ma3leish ya maggie el tayyar yallé ken toul 3omro 3elmene 3am besir yom ba3ed yom 7izeb massi7e, wel ensen yallé mo2men bel tayyar w be khoutabo w howe 3elmene lal el 3adem min wara khoutab el tayyar, w demagogyet 2e3lemo el mowajah, 3am besir hal insen insen ta2efé ba3ed ma ken 3elmene , so sa7i7 el ensen yallé 3am yetghayar, bas la2ano el tayyar 3am be ghayro.
ya 3azizté maggie iza ma 3am betchoufe kil hal omour , iza badna ndalna nbakher lal el za3im w n2ello be 2amrak ya bayk , w inta ma btoghlat wel BALAD MASCHI WEL CHOGHOL MACHII WALA YHEMAKK, benkoun el 3awad be salemtek 3ala el balad w 3ala el tayyarrr.
el 7adis tawil w ma byekhlass bas bezyedeh lal el yom

One thing I hate is when we're trying to have a constructive discussion some one parachute in and start saying 2eshya tafha min yalli byesma3a 3ala akhbar el2ouwet waghayroun min almou7ibeen. I hate it actually it pi$$$$ me off when there will be a cause like tawteen or tahmeesh almassi7ieh and someone comes and say ma fee gheir Gebran wa Roy. This is the last of my worries, You people need to understand that it is very natural to feel comfartable with someone of your family close to you, almost every President in the world had one of his family member close to him whether in the USA or France or any other country. Michel Suleiman has his Son in law running the show for him. Saad Hariri has Nader Hariri, Amine Gemayel has Sami, and everyone else in the world now people come to say but we're differnt the tayyar is against werathi seyasieh, well first Gebran is not coming down in a parachute or he didn't ***** up as a minister to say that GMA is forcing him against all odds. And when the other side make an issue of tawzeer Gebran or not he has the right to say la3youn Gebran ma btit2alaf al7koume now if someone think that GMA 7irid and said ma baddi 2il3ab ba2a li2annou ma ra7 yeji Gebran than I have a bridge I like to sell you .

To be ma3 el3ilmanieh doesn't mean that if you see a ta2ifa mustahdafe because they are Christian or Shiia or Sunna you shouldn't say anything.
Please let's keep this discussion on the level that it needs to be

[needfortruth]

Originally Posted by Red Phoenix

i can't comment on internal matters i know not off, but i can comment on the public media performance

it can't be helped to note how effective is lbc at both being pro LF and at hiding it, while it can't be helped to note how clearly partisan otv is

one channel is gaining 'neutrals', one is not

i will let the pundits of thought and wisdom figure out which is which

that's it, as an outside 'aounist', i can say that the orange media is not professional enough to talk to me nor to lie to me

fixing that will win 50% of the overall party vs party battles in lebanon

we have many self critisim threads here, regardless of their merit, a professional media overhall can fix most of the 'perceived' problems

and so i wish fpmers good luck in reshining their public PR image

LBC is not in a 'battle' mode. FPM and OTV are in a 'Global warfare'. They have to fight back. What they need is a better approach. First by stop being on the defensive and intelligently go on the offensive.

[Youchka]

Originally Posted by Zehlawi

hehehe, you're right Youchka, I've seen that about a hundred times. (I'm glad you excluded me and Amirkani).

Ya Youchka, it is easy to say, say it in your committee or your hay2a. But the fact is that a lot of the students had problems with the FPM student leadership, who clearly failed the last two years, yet practically the same people were appointed again without being able to elect these guys by the student body. Now I like a lot of these guys and when I name someone here that doesn't mean I don't like them but this is not a mere popularity contest it is who can get the right results. The other thing are the syndicates, we have not won any Syndicate for the last two years and yet no changes were done.

Now going back to why not say your opinion to GMA. Now I want to take you back to the meeting that you criticized GHassan for publishing it. You had around 90 Mounadil that became ex-mounadil after that meeting for voicing their opinion. See, what really happened was that these guys, and all of them are from the founding committee in the FPM, wanted to do exactly what we are asking them today and wanted to get together in a hotel to discuss things that they saw was going wrong. (that was more than a year before the 2009 elections) When the good "7ashieh" next to the general found out about it they started whispering to GMA that these guys are doing a mou2amara against you ma3 kill altabheer. So now GMA had a pre-conceived idea that these guys are plotting something bad. When these guys found out that GMA was concerned, they said we have nothing to hide so they brought the meeting to Rabieh and sar yalli sar.

There is some people in Tayyar leadership that failed for the last few years and it is time for them to fall on their sword and bow out but unfortunately their digging more and more and they're dragging everyone with them

Zehlawi, I am in touch closely with students. I ask you this. Has anyone of those so concerned students taken a study to GMA showing him what is happening in universities? Has anyone gone to him, showed him the numbers IN DETAIL, without relying on the committee heads to blabla to himwhatever they want? NO.

Has anyone of those nagging here gone top GMA told him anything at all except of salivating in front of him? NO.

I am pissed because I've seen with my own eyes this trend, of nagging and complaining, and once in front of the decision maker, we become small kittens whose tongue was swallowed.

Regarding the meeting el chahir that you are talking about, well let me tell you, I dunno how much you know about it, I am sure a lot, but I know a lot too, and let me tell you that the way these Mounadilin as you call them handled the things is the worst way anyone can actually do it. The way they were actually going about it was very similar to a coup. This is not the way you handle things Zehlawi, not the way they did, not behind closed doors and in secret meetings. Of course GMA was concerned. When you handle things wrong, even if your cause is right, you fail miserably and you would look like the one who is at fault.

Finally can you please name for me 2 of those who became Ex mounadilin? I personally know most of those mounadilin who were at this famous meeting, and all the ones I know are still in FPM, holding their positions and even becoming MPs

[Arze]

Originally Posted by Lebanesegirl

Sorry ma bade fout baynik w ben maggie! But one point I want to make yes " balche same" How are we suppose to fix the wrongs that are happening in FPM if u, bassam and others stay quiet?!! I'm with u to name all the ones who are not working right w say it mitil ma hiye! And no this will not hurt FPM it will improve it!

I guess this is the not the right place to say names.. don't you think so??
We all have questions about FPM performance,, Don't you have??
And if some peoples raised questions we should not attack them ,, cause ma fi 7adan bi7eb l tayyar aktar min l teni.

[Youchka]

Originally Posted by Arze

I guess this is the not the right place to say names.. don't you think so??
We all have questions about FPM performance,, Don't you have??
And if some peoples raised questions we should not attack them ,, cause ma fi 7adan bi7eb l tayyar aktar min l teni.

No Arze, bass fi ktir bi hebbo halon aktar men el tayyar. And there are many who work expecting returns, whereas others work just for the sake of tayyar and no personal outcome.

So one can actually say without any regret, that, yes, there are different people inside FPM, with different objectives, different levels of commitment, and different levels of opportunism and self-interest seeking.

[Zehlawi]

Originally Posted by Youchka

Zehlawi, I am in touch closely with students. I ask you this. Has anyone of those so concerned students taken a study to GMA showing him what is happening in universities? Has anyone gone to him, showed him the numbers IN DETAIL, without relying on the committee heads to blabla to himwhatever they want? NO.

Has anyone of those nagging here gone top GMA told him anything at all except of salivating in front of him? NO.

I am pissed because I've seen with my own eyes this trend, of nagging and complaining, and once in front of the decision maker, we become small kittens whose tongue was swallowed.

Regarding the meeting el chahir that you are talking about, well let me tell you, I dunno how much you know about it, I am sure a lot, but I know a lot too, and let me tell you that the way these Mounadilin as you call them handled the things is the worst way anyone can actually do it. The way they were actually going about it was very similar to a coup. This is not the way you handle things Zehlawi, not the way they did, not behind closed doors and in secret meetings. Of course GMA was concerned. When you handle things wrong, even if your cause is right, you fail miserably and you would look like the one who is at fault.

Finally can you please name for me 2 of those who became Ex mounadilin? I personally know most of those mounadilin who were at this famous meeting, and all the ones I know are still in FPM, holding their positions and even becoming MPs

Youchkaaa, tawli balik 3leina shweiy. I really don't want to get into many details. But if you would've read my post bihoudou2 you would've notice the part where I said that some of the hashieh 7awl elgeneral started telling him that these guys are doing a mou2amara, birabkun how can these guys do a coup on GMA what, are they going to tell him we don't want you as our leader anymore shou hal7aki yalli ma 2elo ta3meh. Now I was the first one to say that some did not present their case like they should and they were wrong of how they presented it. But it wouldn't get to where it did if GMA wasn't fed wrong info and unrealistic ones. Trust me I know about what happened before and in and after that meeting more than you and more than anyone else for that matter. I would be wary of whoever fed you your info because they got it from the wrong source. Now was GMA upset yes but when he was explained the situation as it was things changed little bit.
I really do not want to go into many details. We can defend things till next year but the facts are that there is things to be fixed to make the tayyar a mou2assasa, there are people who held responsibilities for the last few years that failed to deliver and instead of either change their behavior or bow out they keep on attacking other FPMers who want a change.