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[needfortruth]

Originally Posted by X

It is very simple, if i come and raise my voice about something wrong in FPM, if what i am saying is true, many people will join me in raising their voices and this will put pressure on whoever is responsible of this "wrong" and this person will either fix the "Wrong" or the pressure coming from the people will force the leadership to fix it on his behalf or even remove the person (basically, they will fix the problem)

If what i am saying is not true, no one will listen to me and i will look like a fool

But if i see something wrong in FPM and i don't talk about it, you don't talk about it, no one talks about it, nothing will be fixed.

That' fine but FPM should not allow propaganda machines dictate issues. In this constant media/propaganda war like environment, it is required that things are done quietly. One of the key requirements for winning is hiding your weaknesses from the opponent.

Conduct battles on your own timing. Conduct battles in battle grounds of your own chosing....

Please people, do some reading...

I will keep repeating it because it is very useful and for sure the Loyalists have read it:

Art of War (a 3,000 year old book)

[ibn elmatin]

I have been reading lately some of those posts criticizing each others, and I am really hurt to know that we have a real problem and some of us needs to be put on the right track.

I live in the gulf and all the people around me know that I am FPM to the bone. You cannot imagine how happy are the 14ers to see the outcome of their propaganda. They made some of you believe that the problem is in Gibran or in this or that.

I personally don't know Gibran, but I am so proud to have him representing me in the government, at least he made something out of the ministry of telecommunication, besides stopping theft and corruption he made it wazara siadih as they call it now. Siadeh is part of our mark and Gibran was not able to do anything without FPM support.

We don't want to stay here in the gulf we are counting on you to encourage us to return back.

[Zehlawi]

Maggie Altayyar tghayyar Maybe What I miss is the initiative that the leaders had during the 16 year Nidal. What is different now, is when GMA came back everyone depended on him to make ALL THE DECISIONS. No initiatives where taken without the direct involvement of GMA. And it came to a point where people said this is what needs to be done and waited on GMA to do it.

The problem we're facing today is there is no mechanism to work and to have a debate except on forums like that and unfortunately in the media. Trust me I don't think the march 14ers propaganda had any effect on the FPMers I think it is the opposite, today Gebran Basil has more support in FPM then before this fight. You saw that every one from the FPM "leadership" rallied around him and attended the gathering at the Rimal. So this is not the problem today.

The problem is that there is no institution, there are few people that has access to GMA and keep on giving him false info sometimes because they don't want to give him any bad news and sometimes because they have their own agenda that they want to accomplish.

People saw flaws in our performance in the by election in 2007. A lot of people rallied to say we need to implement some changes so we will be better ready for the 2009 elections. Unfortunately nothing happened. In 2009 the same people who were complaining lift their sleeves and went to help in the elections with what they had to work with which was less then what they had in 2007. None of us was happy with the results even though we didn't fail mainly because of people's trust in GMA but in my opinion our machine failed miserably because of the people that were running the ground. Now seeing that someone needed to be accountable and changes needed to happen, FPMers rallied again because they felt the danger the party is in, but unfortunately no real changes happened and when someone says any thing he or she are accused of being anti GMA and they were "STRIPPED" of their mounadil title and now they're "fi khabar Kan".

The Tayyar need to be an institution and unfortunately everyone is asking GMA to do everything for them instead of taking the initiative, Now I heard some excuses that if we get together and do this we will be accused of working against GMA (In2ilab) this could happen but I think the results will save anyone trying to work.

There is a lot to talk about but we need to do the work also. discussing this on the forum is ok. Until the party has the proper channels for people to be able to say what they want to say. We're asking people today to discuss things internally, well please let them know where to go and do that.

One thing makes me a proud FPMer is when I see the loudest protesters, and people that where done wrong by some of the current FPM leadership, rally with all their heart when we have an issue that is vital to Lebanon and to GMA (Last election is a big example).

So be proud and continue to do the work to keep FPM where it belongs.

I'll never give up or go home and leave it "lil boum wa elgherban"

[BOILER]

Change and Reform.

It will be a long process that needs all our efforts combined.
That's if we really care about this country, and I have no doubt that all of those who sacrified a big part of their lives for Lebanon do care.

Now, how are we going to work?

Uniting all FPMers again under the party's charter and principles, reaching everybody in the country on the basis of FPM values.

As Zehlawi said, all the activists that were taking a rest(everybody has his reason, it could be something personal), were back again during 2009 elections which means Tayyar is still a project they believe in.

What should be done?

Is it by attacking eachother we could resolve things? No
Is it by silencing eachother we could achieve our goals? No
Are there really FPMers who are suspected for working against the party? (If found, they won't be able to hide it).

The only solution available is to join forces, this can only be done by hearing eachother nomatter what the differences are.

Yesterday, you were all striving side by side.

Lets' start from this forum.
Lets' hear eachother for the sake of our party.

You are bothered cause some crucial issues are being discussed in public, you are right, but is there any other place to do that?

Isn't there a need for a private forum only for FPMers?

[Lebanesegirl]

I like this thread so far! very positive. FPM already is a great party no doubt about that. FPMers just need to work a little bit harder and stay away from the "neswen el foren" talks! 2ale w 2eltelo hayda 3emil hek hayda ra7 ya3mil hek with this kind of talks FPM will never survive if u see something wrong going on in the party ur duty is to point it out but there is ways to do it not by attacking and disrespecting others!

[elador]

What is happening with FPM is normal, it is in the a transition period from a movement to a party.

[Zehlawi]

Originally Posted by Lebanesegirl

I like this thread so far! very positive. FPM already is a great party no doubt about that. FPMers just need to work a little bit harder and stay away from the "neswen el foren" talks! 2ale w 2eltelo hayda 3emil hek hayda ra7 ya3mil hek with this kind of talks FPM will never survive if u see something wrong going on in the party ur duty is to point it out but there is ways to do it not by attacking and disrespecting others!

well LG that is why the majority of us jumped on Nasif's article, it was just cheap personal attack on someone that had concerns about the direction we're going and instead of coming out and showing him that he's wrong or maybe take some of that criticism and work on fixing the problem, they turned it into insulting the writer, who has a history of sacrifices with the FPM.

If each one of us read Ghassan's articles, with the exception of few things and some personal feelings (one come to my mind when he said that the branch of FPM that thinks like Alain Aoun won and the Line of Gebran lost, well that was stupid because if Gebran ran in Baabda he would've won and if Alain ran in 3aleih he would've lost). Other than these things most of what he had in his 10 articles or so about the FPM was something that a lot of us can identify with.

And it really doesn't bother me if we talked about this in a public forum we're a public party that asks for transparency, I think this brings more quality people into the party than some leaving it.

[PFC]

the problem is not criticism,the problem is in the lack of proposed solutions for the discussed problems

[ggergi]

finally a word of wisdom

[Red Phoenix]

i can't comment on internal matters i know not off, but i can comment on the public media performance

it can't be helped to note how effective is lbc at both being pro LF and at hiding it, while it can't be helped to note how clearly partisan otv is

one channel is gaining 'neutrals', one is not

i will let the pundits of thought and wisdom figure out which is which

that's it, as an outside 'aounist', i can say that the orange media is not professional enough to talk to me nor to lie to me

fixing that will win 50% of the overall party vs party battles in lebanon

we have many self critisim threads here, regardless of their merit, a professional media overhall can fix most of the 'perceived' problems

and so i wish fpmers good luck in reshining their public PR image