14 Febs announce the war against GMA: Get Ready FPMers for the biggest Battle

[BOILER]

Concentrating on the 70% popularity by Geagea and Co. is just to say that their main target is to reach the 35 0r 40%, thus making the desired improvement.
They can't promise their followers that they will win next year, cause simply they are convinced that they can't do that. They just want to break this 70 % and make it 65 or 60%.
We should not care about this issue, as long as we become the majority in the next elections.

[BOILER]

Originally Posted by shadow1

What you mean here is that those rights were stolen by other Lebanese. What does that tell you about the suitability of being co patriot to someone who wants to steal your right. To me that is the fundamental question.

What do you suggest then?

[Jorje]

Chafic and jorje

allow me to ask the question reversed you were the rulling force for the past 3 years you had the majority ya latif w ya lataftaf what did yoiu offer to your country ? did you clean some establishements from corruption ? did you even tried to fix the rulling system by being open to all factions in this country ? did you give electricity , water , social services , economical changes to your citizens ? what was YOUR program if there was any to begin with and what is your program for the next elections , will also be empty promises, sick insulting propaganda and dirty money and tanket zeit like usual ? .

it is also easy to blame and to critisize FPM when your own partis or pro parties are totaly invalid and corrupt and were the rulling majority for the past 3 years (not to mention the past 15 years) . you should be asking your own people and hold them accountable wlak just for once act like real responsable citizens instead of attacking those who really are trying to make this country pass peacefully from one filthy level to a better clean one .

now back to the topic

Does FPM's credibility depend on the credibility of others?

At least you know you're off topic.

It might be just a case of discovering the un-implementability of its political charter and opted for the MOU instead.

It's fair to expect them to be practical in their methods. For example, I had no problem with FPM's alliance with Murr and Frangiyeh in 2005 (as I naively thought that as long as FPM could win the elections and push for its reform agenda, then everything should be fine) and I have no problem with some form of understanding between FPM and HA. As long as the methods fit in with the intended goal then it's fine. But when that goal seems to have changed, then it's something else. And that's exactly the situation when FPM becomes an apologist for HA' arms (among the other issues I noted).

[coralie]

Originally Posted by Jorje

Does FPM's credibility depend on the credibility of others?

At least you know you're off topic.



It's fair to expect them to be practical in their methods. For example, I had no problem with FPM's alliance with Murr and Frangiyeh in 2005 (as I naively thought that as long as FPM could win the elections and push for its reform agenda, then everything should be fine) and I have no problem with some form of understanding between FPM and HA. As long as the methods fit in with the intended goal then it's fine. But when that goal seems to have changed, then it's something else. And that's exactly the situation when FPM becomes an apologist for HA' arms (among the other issues I noted).

worry less about FPM credibitlity and take care of the credibility of your own first they have NO CREDIBILITY what so ever yet they are going to the next elections with NOTHING like usual and you care about FPM ? enno mabssout belli 3endak ktir ? .

ma testahbelna la hal darajeh wlo chi w menno , mich yalli ser2in w etlin w mdab7in badon yejo bi hal ekhra ya3touna dourouss bel credibility !

[Jorje]

ma testahbelna la hal darajeh wlo chi w menno

Maybe when you post something thoughtful for ONCE, I wouldn't. As for the rest of your typical jargon:

Originally Posted by coralie

worry less about FPM credibitlity and take care of the credibility of your own first they have NO CREDIBILITY what so ever yet they are going to the next elections with NOTHING like usual and you care about FPM ? enno mabssout belli 3endak ktir ?

I don't know from where you are making the assumption that somehow the others are "my own." If you don't like discussions on FPM's credibility, you can find something more useful to do for your own sake.

mich yalli ser2in w etlin w mdab7in badon yejo bi hal ekhra ya3touna dourouss bel credibility !

Oh yes. So ana sara2it w atalit w dabba7it for the simple reason that I have a critical opinion of FPM. Keep it up, coralie!

[joseph_lubnan]

FPM has successfully transformed itself into the same old same old brand of traditional Lebanese political entities. There is hardly any difference between FPM and any other political entity in Lebanon. It is a sad thing, but nevertheless it is the reality. This is how FPM is viewed today, and this how people will vote for it in 2009... 2005 is ancient history...

FPM today is following these primary electoral strategies:

1. Scare the Christians as much as possible from the Sunnis.
2. Convince the Christians that being Dhimmis to the strong is better than being Dhimmis to the weak! The leftovers you get are tastier.
3. Ride on the HA weapons strength and their defacto rule of the nation, and benefit from the HA monopolization of the Shiite vote.
4. Remind the Christians that cooperating with the "occupier" always gets you some tasty short term treats. Today HA is the strongest ruler, (pseudo-occupier) of Lebanon.

[Venom]

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan

FPM has successfully transformed itself into the same old same old brand of traditional Lebanese political entities. There is hardly any difference between FPM and any other political entity in Lebanon. It is a sad thing, but nevertheless it is the reality. This is how FPM is viewed today, and this how people will vote for it in 2009... 2005 is ancient history...

FPM today is following these primary electoral strategies:

1. Scare the Christians as much as possible from the Sunnis.
2. Convince the Christians that being Dhimmis to the strong is better than being Dhimmis to the weak! The leftovers you get are tastier.
3. Ride on the HA weapons strength and their defacto rule of the nation, and benefit from the HA monopolization of the Shiite vote.
4. Remind the Christians that cooperating with the "occupier" always gets you some tasty short term treats. Today HA is the strongest ruler, (pseudo-occupier) of Lebanon.

Joseph and the Samir Geagea propaganda machine....btelba2o la ba3ed....

although the results are the same= failure. I heard Geagea website are hiring, yalla don't waste ur valuable posts on this forum.....u have a media team that will take u directly.....just repeat what u said and u will reach the skies....

[Amirkani]

It's too late for others to try to smash FPM by attacking it constantly and blaming it for everything bad under the sun. If they were incapable of doing it when their power was at its peak and FPM's at its lowest, they won't be able to do much now that FPM is on the rise.

Don't worry about how the Geageas and the Junblats will attack us...

I repeat something that I said in another thread: the only thing that can prevent FPM from getting the largest parliamentary bloc in the history of Lebanon is FPM itself.

If we don't, we'll only have ourselves to blame.

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[roeshieroe23]

Originally Posted by jorje

does fpm's credibility depend on the credibility of others?

At least you know you're off topic.



It's fair to expect them to be practical in their methods. For example, i had no problem with fpm's alliance with murr and frangiyeh in 2005 (as i naively thought that as long as fpm could win the elections and push for its reform agenda, then everything should be fine) and i have no problem with some form of understanding between fpm and ha. As long as the methods fit in with the intended goal then it's fine. But when that goal seems to have changed, then it's something else. And that's exactly the situation when fpm becomes an apologist for ha' arms (among the other issues i noted).

الأهداف لم تتغير, الوسيلة هي التي تغيرت, شعار التيار كان و لا يزال كما هو التغيير و الإصلاح, لكن لن يكون لأي تغيير إو إصلاح أي جدوى إن كانت طائفة تشعر بالتهميش و حقوقها مهضومة و دورها غير فعال و هنا لا نتكلم من جانب طائفي, إنما هذه هي الحقيقة, فكان شعار التيار استرجاع الحقوق للإنتقال إلى الشعار الأصلي و أنت تقف على إرضية صلبة تمكنك من تحقيق الأهداف, و الآن جاء دور تثبيث هذه الحقوق و استكمال المسيرة نحو التغيير و الإصلاح
التيار لم يغطي سسلاح حزب الله بل قدم له رؤية للمعالجة بطريقة سسلمية تخدم البلد و لا تضره , إذا كان ههناك حل آخر غير الذي قدمه التيار فليتفضل الآخرون بطرحه, لكن لا مشروع فعلي لديهم و ما يقولونه هو لماذا لم تتركونا نحشر الحزب, بكل شفافية و صدق هل حشر الحزب يةدي إلى حل المشكل أو تدمير البلد ?!!
التيار وحده لا يستطيع التغيير و الإصلاح إن لم يكن يقف على أرضية صلبة و حليف قوي و ما قام به من خلال ورقة االتفاهم مع الحزب و كان مستعد لتعميمها على كل القوى الكبرى في البلد و أولهم تيار المستقبل و لكنه رفض و ما استطاع التيار تحقيقه بمساعدة االحزب ما كان ليتأتى لولا ورقة التفاهم, و لمواقف الجنرال الصلبة, و التاريخ سينصفه رغم كل الحملات الإعلامية و الخطوة المقبلة يجب أن تكون بتكوين الأرضية الصلبة التي يقف عليها التيار لإستكمال المسيرة و هي الفوز بالإنتخابات لتكوين تكثل فاعل و كبير كما لدى الطوائف الأخرى حتى لا يمكن تجاوز دوره و تقويته لتحقيق كل الأهداف و بعدها لتأسيس نظام وطني فاعل يقوي الدولة و يحصنها

[king]

i think the title will still the same as for the election itself FPM have a good chance to keep the same seats they have and add about 12 more just simply because people is looking for something to change and they will see some of it from the performance of the FPM ministers. you need the power to force any change so if you are outside the government chances are you achive nothing or little since FPM did not participate in the last government they did not the chance especially with the the political strugle with the other parties, so yes we may lost few votes hear and their but we gained more as history will write about FPM managed to stop a second sivil war in lebanon lets just hope that they approve the new electorial law because without it we will have the same fearce battle on our hands and nothing will change