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Default Vista R.I.P - What about Windows 7? - 7th October 2008

Vista is on its way to the Microsoft scrap heap, joining other relics including Microsoft Bob.

Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols, Computerworld.com
Oct 6, 2008 11:15 pm


Vista is awful. Everyone knows it, including Microsoft, and now Microsoft's actions have made it clear that Vista is on its way to the Microsoft junkyard with such similar failures as Windows ME and Microsoft Bob.

You don't have to believe me. Just look at what Microsoft has been doing. First, Microsoft started fast-tracking Vista's successor, Windows 7. Recently, we discovered that Windows 7 alpha will be coming to developers this October.

Still, you might think, "So what, Microsoft is still giving us a choice between Vista and Vista for the next year or two." Wrong. The rumors were true. Microsoft is extending XP's sales life again.

Microsoft won't sell XP Pro to you, the end-user, but it will sell it to OEMs (original equipment manufacturers) and system builders. They, in turn, will sell you systems with XP. The deal is, if you buy a PC "with" Windows Vista Ultimate and Business editions, you can have it 'downgraded' to XP Pro until July 31, 2009.

Windows 7 is due out, depending on who you believe, what side of the bed Ballmer got out of this morning, and what the market is doing on any given day, anywhere from late 2009 to early 2010. In other words, Microsoft is making it easy for you to skip Vista entirely. And, in fact, that's what some organizations, like the state government of Maine, were planning on doing even before Microsoft closed the XP to 7 gap. Of course, it's not like anyone was moving to Vista anyway.

As for this being a downgrade, please! What downgrade? XP SP3 is easily the best version of Windows out there. Vista, even after SP1 arrived, is junk. Using Vista, instead of XP, is just dumb.

Microsoft has been telling us for months that even they thought Vista was heading for the trash. Back in April, Steve Ballmer himself told Microsoft's MVPs that Vista was "a work in progress" and needed improvements in system performance, software and hardware compatibility and battery life. Wow, Vista is a work in progress after having shipped for over a year and after more than five-years of development. Boy, that's the kind of operating system I want to spend my money on. Oh yeah. You betcha.

Why not, instead of waiting for 7, which may or may not be any good, try desktop Linux or Mac OS X? After all, they're actually available today and works as advertised unlike, oh, say, Vista.

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In my opinion, Vista is simply terrible, it offers no benefit over XP, and that alone is reason enough not to ever switch.

Spending more money on an OS that requires more expensive hardware but offers no gain, is a waste of money. On top of that, the time required to learn to administer it and troubleshooting it costs more money. Everything about it turns businesses away.

Vista failed mainly because: 1- it's slower (Vista has over 50 million lines of code. XP had 35 million when it was released, and since then it has grown to about 40 million) and needs more resources, and 2- its lack of compatibility with many hardware and software: despite a long beta period, a lot of existing software and hardware were not compatible with Vista when it was released in January 2007. Since many important programs and peripherals were unusable in Vista, that made it impossible for a lot of IT departments to adopt it. Many of the incompatibilities were the result of tighter (and dumb?) security.

I am not so sure about this new windows 7, but applying this to Windows 7, unless it is a vast improvement, and XP goes End Of Life, I still don't think business owners have a reason to switch.

From your average business user's standpoint, if Microsoft Office and the internet work well, why spend more money? XP works great, it's predictable, it runs on minimal hardware (Not quite as quick as Linux though), there is vast support for it, there is a surplus is certified administrators. There's really no reason to switch at all for most businesses, even for the upcoming Windows 7.
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Default 7th October 2008

amen to that brother, microsoft is flogging a dead horse with vista. it's just dead on arrival and nothing they can do this late in the game can matter no more for it.

even the prospect of sexy DX10 in games in not strong enough to convince me to switch to that bloat-ware.

as for linux, i love it, but all the distros should start to adobt comprehensible standards between them b4 they can expect the masses to accept them.
i mean, the only thing in linux that can rival vista in the 'retard department' is the ungodly multi-pronged dummy installion standards. that's the biggest linux turn off ever, i mean don't they tell u in school to no bite the mouth that feeds u let alone the means of installing apps on ur operating system ? hehe

but to be honest, vista is good at one thing at least, it is a great testament that coorporations will produce completly useless junk and push for their dissemination in the consumer market just because they want to make a fat buck out of it.
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Well to be a bit fair, Vista was initally written in managed code and then they realized that they can not make it fast enough so they dumped the whole code and rewrote it, so 5 years were not really spent to develop vista. Also Vista was an attempt to imitate mac and focus on cool user interfaces.
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FOR THE LOVE OF OUR CEDARS WILL SOMEONE TELL ME HOW TO INSTALL XP ON MY HP LAPTOP!!!!! *runs amock and tears t-shirt*
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FOR THE LOVE OF OUR CEDARS WILL SOMEONE TELL ME HOW TO INSTALL XP ON MY HP LAPTOP!!!!! *runs amock and tears t-shirt*
haha, u don't have a Sata driver for ur hard drive do u ? hehe

poor soul, u are stuck with vista...
unless!
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haha, u don't have a Sata driver for ur hard drive do u ? hehe

poor soul, u are stuck with vista...
unless!
I tried using a Sata Windows Xp copy (whatever the hell that is) and it didnt work.

Unless what?!?!?!?
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make way for another Windows ME
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I tried using a Sata Windows Xp copy (whatever the hell that is) and it didnt work.

Unless what?!?!?!?
I had the SATA driver problem once, it usually happens with server windows versions not client ones like XP! anyway if the sata is the problem you get an error that you do not have a hard disk or something like that; if that is the case then go to your laptop manifacturer site and download sata disk drivers for your laptop and when installing XP you can specify the hard disk driver (usually pressing one of the F* keys will take you to a screen where you can point to the drivers you downloaded, keep an eye on the installation and wait till you see that option)

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FOR THE LOVE OF OUR CEDARS WILL SOMEONE TELL ME HOW TO INSTALL XP ON MY HP LAPTOP!!!!! *runs amock and tears t-shirt*
hey man, if it's a sata driver problem on your machine, put the machine name and model number and i'll try to find you the driver for the sata connection.

Usually when you boot the xp disk, you press F6 and insert the diskette to mount that driver. (you need a floppy drive with that).

If you dont have one, get any windows xp SP3 cd, they all work.

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I tried using a Sata Windows Xp copy (whatever the hell that is) and it didnt work.

Unless what?!?!?!?
Get a F6 SATA utility for your HP laptop, install nLite on your desktop;
after that you load an image of XP whichever service pack on to nLite and you load with it the SATA utility, they'll get combined and you write them on a single CD.
You then use that CD to install XP on the laptop; and wait for all drivers to come out XP-version; I believe HP will be releasing them soon for all versions since Vista is doomed to early retirement.
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