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Regarding license:
Till you see ISP at
TRA - Telecommunications Regulatory Authority
Ministry Of Telecommunications

Be sure - ISP is legal. As soon as his license revoked - government will remove him from list.
can u state how much is your legal link ? ... in kbps.
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Kingroudy, sorry, as any ISP in world, i cannot disclose such information. It is commercial secret.
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I'm VISP employee.
Welcome to stone age. Government closing and pushing anybody they dont likes, without providing alternatives.
Funny isnt it ?
problem started from here :

صدر عن المكتب الاعلامي لوزير الاتصالات المهندس جبران باسيل البيان الآتي:

صادرت الفرق الفنية التابعة لوزارة الاتصالات، اليوم، بمؤازرة من الجيش والقوى الامنية، وانفاذا لقرارات حظر استيراد وبيع وتركيب واستعمال اجهزة الاتصالات غير الشرعية، من احد الابراج التلفزيونية في محلة الباروك، محطة تضمّ اجهزة بث واستقبال انترنت غير شرعية وغير مرخّص لها، تستعمل في التخابر الدولي غير الشرعي.
وتجدد وزارة الاتصالات التنبيه الى ان التعامل بأجهزة الاتصالات غير الشرعية يعرض المخالفين الى الملاحقة امام المراجع القضائية، وفقا للمواد القانونية التي تعاقب بالغرامة من 100 الف ليرة الى 600 الف، وبالحبس من شهر الى 6 اشهر.


seems that ur a normal employee ,

for ur knowledge : the MoT sends warning to all ISP's that are using illegal machines ( like jamers and repeaters ... ) and links ...

ur ISP still in marwan 7hmede age , its time for actions my dear , go ask ur boss why he didnt switch to legal links abil halla2 mich ba3ed 5 months!

PS : its the first action towards Visp , fastnetonline turn will come soon
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U are wrong. Seems u got used to "legacy" ISP's.


Support too busy to talk online, they are working on rebuilding support system to new realities, answering calls and organising information to give in short form for system administrators.


Thats true. But more correct "restoring capacity".


We didnt switch providers for 2 years, till new minister didn't start his "fights".


Servers is fine.


We know that. We, and i'm especially paying by my health fixing all that **** at night. Thanks to sweet government , which do things and dont give a **** how it hurt people.


Who is competent? We need to kiss knees and cry on your shoulder? Or give you million dollar damages (while we are loosing also money, and not because our own fault) We are doing our best to restore service. What you want to happen?


People have their own brain, and most of them not panicking.
u assume i'm panicking while i'm rightfully ticked off.

as to who has a brain, well the service of visp speaks for itself in the brainy department.

visp has had her service broke down before this is not the first time although u clarified the reasons it happened on such a scale now.

but don't tell me that the service of visp now is like it was 1 year ago.

before this incident visp constantly started to lag and disconnect.

and don't tell me about ppl having brains not to panic when ur service FAILS on us if we are dependant on it, and not the first time too.

and in the meanwhile, u come here and post that 'ya we are upgrading' while in fact u are just scrambling for a new solution.

in the end, dont tell me about ur health, u are the provider and we are the customers, i'm paying u for ur service so bala terbi7 jmileh especially when u keep ur customers in the dark and are 'too busy' to answer them.

ma3leshi, but only in lebanon can a company deteriorate its service over a year then at one point lose its service completely to then come and tell a customer that paid his bill at the first of the month 'oh sorry for not providing internet from since the month started, oh what, do u want us to sarcastically pay u a billion dollar in compensation!?"

dude get a grip. ppl are not panicking but ppl are loosing their money, which i remind u u need from me the customer and not the other way around.,

so if i can afford to be less than tactful somethings since i am lacking a service i paid for, u cannot be on the other hand less tactful if u'r an employee.

or is that teo bs demeanour spreading out to all visp employees these times ?

again habbibi, i did not find my money on a tree, if u lost the ability to provide the service we paid for the only thing u CAN DO is apologize (even if the government or jesus christ were originally responsible for it) and propose compensations.

the last freaking thing u can do is come here and tell us that ppl with brains are not panicking.

ah yeah, mazbout, all the work emails that got disrupted since saturday when ur service broke really did NOT AFFECT my work, so i'm sorry guys for bringing this up to .

u guys are perfectly compentent when it comes not not taking responsibility for ur broken service.

put a freaking poll here dear visp employee and ask visp customers if they think that visp service has declined to a joke from what it was 1 year ago.

yalla, let put a poll so that i don't hurt ur feelings as an employee while my money investment seems like the last of ur concern.

we lebanese are used to this cr*p, i pay u for ur service, which u barely deliver, then u have the impudence to tell me that ppl with brains don't panic instead of visp apologizing. very professional walla.

yalla keep it up, dont tell me u are working to fix this, even a monkey would know that it's his work to not sleep until his company resumes services.

u are not the only working and u need our money not vice versa.

now, let's all go blame the stupid government for disrupting the workflow of a stupid company that is smart enough to blame it on the clients.

yalla, lets all do that.

ur service sucks amigo and don't u dare to blame it on the customers my friend.

so again, i do mean it with all my heart when i give u this negative review :

PPL STAY AWAY FROM VISP, unless u want a broken internet service and unless u want to get reprimanded too when their internet fails u as usual.
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VISP is a legal ISP provider, however the biggest percentage of their downlink is taken from an illegal provider, everybody knows that. In addition, you have the worst customer service I've ever seen (I already stated my problem with your company on another post), which makes me happy to see VISP in this situation. try not to blame the minister for your faults, once we see legal stuff getting applied, bibalcho ytal3oulna khbar. There are alternatives, but they are expensive for VISP comparing to their illegal downlinks.
Another point as you seem to be an employee and I will assume you have technical knowledge, you must know that any decent and respectful ISP have links from different sources for the sake of redundancy!!! In this business, there's zero tolerance towards losing internet link for that long whatever your reason is
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just my 2 cents ..didnt you know that VISP was in trouble before the 4th of April ? I think they were warned but tried to ignore the fact that they could be arrested. Some of the equipments were confiscated. I just need to know how do you plan to get the service back to normal activity? If you could just elaborate please? I am trying to be optimistic but just cannot find a good promising solution/scenario; The gov. always wins.

If, in any case, VISP is considering passing through Ogero ( which is imo the only possible deal at the moment ), I will have to switch to DSL. Isnt that what the govs wants ?
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VISP is a legal ISP provider, however the biggest percentage of their downlink is taken from an illegal provider, everybody knows that. In addition, you have the worst customer service I've ever seen (I already stated my problem with your company on another post), which makes me happy to see VISP in this situation. try not to blame the minister for your faults, once we see legal stuff getting applied, bibalcho ytal3oulna khbar. There are alternatives, but they are expensive for VISP comparing to their illegal downlinks.
Another point as you seem to be an employee and I will assume you have technical knowledge, you must know that any decent and respectful ISP have links from different sources for the sake of redundancy!!! In this business, there's zero tolerance towards losing internet link for that long whatever your reason is
Do you know what is legal or illegal? Probably you can point me to laws regulating this? I am sure you dont know any single law and braving here about superior knowledge of telecom market, ISP's commercial secrets and etc. Sure Mr Know Everything.

Well i will surprise you, there is NO STANDARDS for that. Few regulations created recently, by TRA (TRA - Telecommunications Regulatory Authority), like VSAT more than 1Watt forbidden, and forbidden (for DSP) to use frequency that is not allocated for him. And dont worry, TRA released official letter immediately that one of DSP's using illegally frequency for WiMax and to not make with him any deals about that. They wont allow anybody to use anything illegal.

For example you are saying "biggest percentage of their downlink taken from illegal provider" - thats absolute lie. Before talking anything, you have to show proof, at least smallest. Otherwise i can tell you are agent of Israel and accusing us, because we are supporting Lebanese army.

And last thing again. We have all required legal papers, we apply for official backbone and we PAID for it. Only one small issue - we are not getting it. And reason is very easy, with backbone we should get access to sell over ADSL network, and we have pack of technologies, that will let us with boot off majority of legacy ISP's from this market. Everybody understands that well, and crying that VISP is "illegal" and they are using "illegal technologies" and backbone of them "illegal".
For example NONE of ISP's developed their own PPPoE NAS. We developed our own linux distribution, USB flash based, based on open-source technologies (means zero cost for lebanon), instead of throwing money outside lebanon, to Cisco/Nortel/etc. We implement our OWN caching technology, while all other ISP's thrown money for Cisco/Bluecoat/etc. Routers, billing - everything is made by our hands and cheaper than others, and giving much more advantages than other "stock" solutions.

Regarding different links... well you are so smart. Just give me idea, where you can find different links in Lebanon? Yes satellite download everybody taking from multiple sources, but when **** hit the fan, everybody suck. Because right now foreign companies not allowed to work on Lebanese market... while almost everywhere around they are allowed to do so.
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just my 2 cents ..didnt you know that VISP was in trouble before the 4th of April ? I think they were warned but tried to ignore the fact that they could be arrested. Some of the equipments were confiscated. I just need to know how do you plan to get the service back to normal activity? If you could just elaborate please? I am trying to be optimistic but just cannot find a good promising solution/scenario; The gov. always wins.

If, in any case, VISP is considering passing through Ogero ( which is imo the only possible deal at the moment ), I will have to switch to DSL. Isnt that what the govs wants ?
Before government confiscate equipment of Pesco telecom in Tripoli. It was full rack of radio equipment. We had in same room 2 servers and UPS laying on floor, they took them too. Thats maybe "warning" and "problem"? Sure they wont return it, "they are investigating". Yea... UPS is highly illegal equipment in Lebanon seems :-P

Even now, it is not VISP link arrested, it is company with who we was working and from who was buying... officially registered Lebanese company and legal from all points of view... but, competitor for one of market players who have some political connections.

Funny thing WE WANT, WE PAID for getting backbone from Ogero long time ago. But we are not getting it. I dont know the reason, but probably some players on the market scared to be booted off and paying bribes to delay our backbone upgrade. Because the second we will go on this market, we will try to make unlimited DSL.
Thanksfully we have friendly ISP's, who dont want our death, for example and they are helping us. Even we will not get link from Ogero we made deal with them and we are getting capacity over them. Biggest issue, on our infrastracture it is not easy to rebuild all configurations fast.
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Do you know what is legal or illegal? Probably you can point me to laws regulating this? I am sure you dont know any single law and braving here about superior knowledge of telecom market, ISP's commercial secrets and etc. Sure Mr Know Everything.

Well i will surprise you, there is NO STANDARDS for that. Few regulations created recently, by TRA (TRA - Telecommunications Regulatory Authority), like VSAT more than 1Watt forbidden, and forbidden (for DSP) to use frequency that is not allocated for him. And dont worry, TRA released official letter immediately that one of DSP's using illegally frequency for WiMax and to not make with him any deals about that. They wont allow anybody to use anything illegal.

For example you are saying "biggest percentage of their downlink taken from illegal provider" - thats absolute lie. Before talking anything, you have to show proof, at least smallest. Otherwise i can tell you are agent of Israel and accusing us, because we are supporting Lebanese army.

And last thing again. We have all required legal papers, we apply for official backbone and we PAID for it. Only one small issue - we are not getting it. And reason is very easy, with backbone we should get access to sell over ADSL network, and we have pack of technologies, that will let us with boot off majority of legacy ISP's from this market. Everybody understands that well, and crying that VISP is "illegal" and they are using "illegal technologies" and backbone of them "illegal".
For example NONE of ISP's developed their own PPPoE NAS. We developed our own linux distribution, USB flash based, based on open-source technologies (means zero cost for lebanon), instead of throwing money outside lebanon, to Cisco/Nortel/etc. We implement our OWN caching technology, while all other ISP's thrown money for Cisco/Bluecoat/etc. Routers, billing - everything is made by our hands and cheaper than others, and giving much more advantages than other "stock" solutions.

Regarding different links... well you are so smart. Just give me idea, where you can find different links in Lebanon? Yes satellite download everybody taking from multiple sources, but when **** hit the fan, everybody suck. Because right now foreign companies not allowed to work on Lebanese market... while almost everywhere around they are allowed to do so.

man i approciate ur work and ur services but i have a question:

shou mafhoum a good connection for u?

ekhid illegal link w 3am twazi3 w yaret l connection stable w 3am tcheri3??? same problem with 2ishtirak l moteur bi ghale bi ghale w yaret byije mazbout ...


man ur download suck !!! ur services suck!!! a 512 kbps ~ 64 KB/s when its 30 KB/s - 20KB/s what do u call this? mich sir2a??? w bi ekhir l chaher byije : iza ma btidfa3 mno2ta3a ...

a 2-3MBit link to a well known company in lebanon taken from VISP , l download 3andoun bit balish 150KB/s w btinzal lal 50KB/s WTF what do u call this? a good service?? 3ajabitne hayde everybody suck w ma fi ghayirkoun kinto 3am tishtighlo mazbout???

PS : a good company has to provide a stable connection and a good service !
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problem started from here :

صدر عن المكتب الاعلامي لوزير الاتصالات المهندس جبران باسيل البيان الآتي:

صادرت الفرق الفنية التابعة لوزارة الاتصالات، اليوم، بمؤازرة من الجيش والقوى الامنية، وانفاذا لقرارات حظر استيراد وبيع وتركيب واستعمال اجهزة الاتصالات غير الشرعية، من احد الابراج التلفزيونية في محلة الباروك، محطة تضمّ اجهزة بث واستقبال انترنت غير شرعية وغير مرخّص لها، تستعمل في التخابر الدولي غير الشرعي.
وتجدد وزارة الاتصالات التنبيه الى ان التعامل بأجهزة الاتصالات غير الشرعية يعرض المخالفين الى الملاحقة امام المراجع القضائية، وفقا للمواد القانونية التي تعاقب بالغرامة من 100 الف ليرة الى 600 الف، وبالحبس من شهر الى 6 اشهر.


seems that ur a normal employee ,

for ur knowledge : the MoT sends warning to all ISP's that are using illegal machines ( like jamers and repeaters ... ) and links ...

ur ISP still in marwan 7hmede age , its time for actions my dear , go ask ur boss why he didnt switch to legal links abil halla2 mich ba3ed 5 months!

PS : its the first action towards Visp , fastnetonline turn will come soon
Jammers? VISP dont use such things. Illegal repeaters and links? We are working over DSP's(GDS, Pesco, Wigo, and etc, i dont have full list), all they have supposed to have license for links. Sure maybe it reveal one day that Wigo or GDS dont have license.

Legal links? Well they are legal, but expensive. For example one of DSP uses obsolete equipment with 10Mbps Half-Duplex ports. There is newly created Internet Exchange Point in lebanon. Funny thing they can run only over this DSP :-) While all other ISP in world banding their head how to bypass 100G limit, Lebanon struggling how to bypass 10Mbps limit :-P But, WOW, it is fully legal.

Ogero DONT HAVE infrastructure to provide nor international, nor internal. I will give you example. You are driving car daily, and suddently government released rule - you have to go to police and do mechanical checkout yearly. But when you comes, there is no building even for this department. They are planning to build it only. But police start stopping cars and arresting them, because they didnt pass mechanic test.
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