Once you go mac you never go back

[sigma]

I bet you find a single apple in a software development firm.

Ok i'll add that OS X is streamlined in a way that makes easy working on all things revolving around graphic design and music production

You said that it was for rich kids for want to look hip.

Most of the programs out there run only on windows, which inhibits OS X's accessibility and features

Quality/Efficiency over quantity. As long as all my needs as a computer user are fulfilled by the existing apps I don't need Mac ports of windows programs, alternatives are here and they are often better than their windows counterparts! (or simply use a different approach)

The open source freeware labels have had a great impact on the popularity factor.

Open source != Freeware. Again, do your homework.

since im primarily a gamer, i cannot switch to linux nor OS'X

you can either Dual Boot ubuntu and windows XP (or Vista)
or simply get a mac and install Boot Camp.

But you cant install it on a regular pc can you?

Hackintosh, look it up.

[Frisbeetarian]

You said that it was for rich kids for want to look hip.

I knew you would say that. Our discussion here isnt based on what kind of computer the digital design studios are using. Our discussion here revolves around the what kind of laptop us simple folk should by that would fulfill our basic needs and wants. Not everyone is a gamer and not every knows how to use maya or 3d max or after effects. But the large majority of laptop users, use it for the mobility it grants. There are people who use their apple laptops for digital design works, and i know some of them, but most of the ones who own an apple laptop at my university are business majors.

Quality/Efficiency over quantity. As long as all my needs as a computer user are fulfilled by the existing apps I don't need Mac ports of windows programs, alternatives are here and they are often better than their windows counterparts! (or simply use a different approach)

Tomato tomato, two different ways of looking at it.

Open source != Freeware. Again, do your homework.

What are you talking about? Its open source, because anyone can modify the source code and change anything he wants, granted he has to have the technical skills. And its freeware because its a free download. Anyone can grab a copy of unbutu.

you can either Dual Boot ubuntu and windows XP (or Vista)
or simply get a mac and install Boot Camp.

I know, but u wont get full functionality of the os running on the virtual machine. Plus i need all the fps i can get, and the second os requires quite alot of power to operate.

Hackintosh, look it up.

My point exactly.

[sigma]

but most of the ones who own an apple laptop at my university are business majors.

They're probably using it because it is convenient.
It rarely crashes and has no viruses (by virus i mean, real ones, that replicate themselves without the user's knowledge)

What are you talking about? Its open source, because anyone can modify the source code and change anything he wants, granted he has to have the technical skills. And its freeware because its a free download. Anyone can grab a copy of unbutu.

You said open source freeware. Freeware is usually distributed as a binary-only, proprietary form which makes it different from Free Software. Ubuntu is free software (as in free speech, not free beer)

It's ubuntu not unbutu.

I know, but u wont get full functionality of the os running on the virtual machine. Plus i need all the fps i can get, and the second os requires quite alot of power to operate.

Yet another proof that you are arguing blindly.
Boot Camp is not virtualization (unlike VMWare fusion).
It runs Windows at native speed.
You can even use the built in mic and camera and bluetooth within Windows.

[Frisbeetarian]

They're probably using it because it is convenient.
It rarely crashes and has no viruses (by virus i mean, real ones, that replicate themselves without the user's knowledge)

And i say they are using it because they want to look hip. We already agreed that the mainstream apple laptop are not only less powerful then their counterparts but are also more expensive. So the only reason to buy an apple laptop is for the digital design benefits. According to the logic of our conversation, the conclusion dictates that every one buying an apple laptop is doing so, either because he is: A. a graphic designer or B.like the OS and finds it convenient and safe.

BUT with a little technical know how and expertise you can make windows as safe as a volt. It doesnt take alot, i have been using this formula for many years and have failed to get infected by any spyware or virus. Note, they do attack but are detected before they get through the firewalls. All one needs to do to stay safe, is to:
1. Install firefox with the no script plug in.
2. Get a good anti-virus program.
3. Get firewall. I use zone alarms triple layer firewall and anti-spyware features.

And Voila, thats all it takes to make ur pc virus proof. Now dual that confidence that uve just acquired with the fact that u can get a less expensive more pc and uve got a winning proposal.

Either way i dont think i will convince u in this matter and i dont think u will convince me. I just see apple computers good in one thing, and u can get the other advantages with little trouble and less money. Thats how i see it.

You said open source freeware. Freeware is usually distributed as a binary-only, proprietary form which makes it different from Free Software. Ubuntu is free software (as in free speech, not free beer)

Point is, its free. One of the reasons why its gaining so much momentum.

It's ubuntu not unbutu.

Thanks, i never knew how to spell that darn name.

Yet another proof that you are arguing blindly.

Blindly? Why? Have i not given various examples and facts?

Boot Camp is not virtualization (unlike VMWare fusion).
It runs Windows at native speed.

Is Boot Camp available for the pc?

[sigma]

Listen, as long as you have not used OSX you cannot argue whether it is worth the extra price on hardware or not.
I will rest my case here and will gladly continue this debate once you have actually tried Leopard

Blindly? Why? Have i not given various examples and facts?

blindly because you don't do enough research, you're giving out inaccurate arguments (like, for example, that Boot Camp makes windows slower).

Is Boot Camp available for the pc?

No, Apple makes its profit from hardware.

[Frisbeetarian]

blindly because you don't do enough research, you're giving out inaccurate arguments (like, for example, that Boot Camp makes windows slower).

Where did i ever state that BOOT CAMP makes windows slower. I clearly said running windows one a virtual drive takes away from the performance.

No, Apple makes its profit from hardware.

So thats a no. So i cant run an apple OS on a pc, i also cannot simulate windows on other than an apple computer. Little restrictive for my taste.
And when i was talking about virtualization, i was talking about doing it on the pc, as i clearly stated that indented gaming on the device. Running Linux primary and XP secondary. You jammed OSX into this to make ur argument stand.

Listen, as long as you have not used OSX you cannot argue whether it is worth the extra price on hardware or not.
I will rest my case here and will gladly continue this debate once you have actually tried Leopard

With all these restrictions its a bit hard to experience the OS. I am a tech enthusiast and i am quite eager to try out the system, but as long as it is overpriced and underpowered as it is, im not shelling out 2000$+ on it.

Thats why i think its for rich pups who want to look cool.

[sigma]

Originally Posted by sigma

or simply get a mac and install Boot Camp.

Originally Posted by friendofzeus

I know, but u wont get full functionality of the os running on the virtual machine. Plus i need all the fps i can get, and the second os requires quite alot of power to operate.

Where did i ever state that BOOT CAMP makes windows slower. I clearly said running windows one a virtual drive takes away from the performance.

Read the three above quotes.

Anyway, I understand you need to feel free and the restrictions are keeping you back

Then again, you can't judge without trying.

im not shelling out 2000$+ on it.

Their mid-to-high end range costs this much

it's your choice after all :)

[sigma]

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[Frisbeetarian]

Quote:
Originally Posted by sigma
or simply get a mac and install Boot Camp.
Quote:
Originally Posted by friendofzeus
I know, but u wont get full functionality of the os running on the virtual machine. Plus i need all the fps i can get, and the second os requires quite alot of power to operate.
Quote:
Where did i ever state that BOOT CAMP makes windows slower. I clearly said running windows one a virtual drive takes away from the performance.
Read the three above quotes.

""i need all the fps i can get"" == gaming != OS X.

[sigma]

You started talking about virtualization after I mentioned Boot Camp.
You get full FPS while working on Boot Camp since it's not virtualization.