Fiber optic in Beirut

[Mar1K]

Looking good, but will not affect users much as our bottle neck is bandwidth cost and not infrastructure.

Our infrastructure can support aDSL (1.5 Mbps), exchanges should be upgraded to aDSL 2 or aDSL 2+ before we go to Fiber. That is the logical path for it...

Either ways, i trust Jebran... I think he's smart enough to make a decision, every step he took so far was a success...

He knows the telecom budget as he's the minister... fe3lan the only minister to work for the benefit of the country...

[tikamak]

i agree with the people who are saying that we should improve the infrastructure and make better offers before attempting to install fiber, knowing that what the ukrainian dude (who's gonna introduce me to his feminine single relatives once i learn russian) said is 100% true and installing fibers is a nightmare, especially in lebanon ... soon we will see minor ISPs busting the fiber lines and charging people 200$ for fiber renewal, **** like that.

[Mar1K]

Originally Posted by tikamak

i agree with the people who are saying that we should improve the infrastructure and make better offers before attempting to install fiber, knowing that what the ukrainian dude (who's gonna introduce me to his feminine single relatives once i learn russian) said is 100% true and installing fibers is a nightmare, especially in lebanon ... soon we will see minor ISPs busting the fiber lines and charging people 200$ for fiber renewal, **** like that.

the infrastructure is actually owned by ogero. i don't think ISP's will have access to fiber

[nuclearcat]

Originally Posted by tikamak

i agree with the people who are saying that we should improve the infrastructure and make better offers before attempting to install fiber, knowing that what the ukrainian dude (who's gonna introduce me to his feminine single relatives once i learn russian) said is 100% true and installing fibers is a nightmare, especially in lebanon ... soon we will see minor ISPs busting the fiber lines and charging people 200$ for fiber renewal, **** like that.

The actual thing Ogero can do - build fiber between exchanges, and to official ISP locations , by request, not for free for sure. Then charge ISP's reasonable rate monthly. Thats what done in Saudi and any country who have brain in their skull. This fiber will be sold and profitable each month, means will bring money for government. Also it will help to remove ugly big microwaves from towers, and will make Lebanon telecom infrastructure less vulnerable. They can sell data capacity (Mbit/s) and lambda capacity (optical frequency range). I think even companies will buy capacity to connect branches.
But covering by FTTH network one small area, it is throwing money to air.

[nuclearcat]

Originally Posted by Mar1K

Looking good, but will not affect users much as our bottle neck is bandwidth cost and not infrastructure.

Our infrastructure can support aDSL (1.5 Mbps), exchanges should be upgraded to aDSL 2 or aDSL 2+ before we go to Fiber. That is the logical path for it...

Either ways, i trust Jebran... I think he's smart enough to make a decision, every step he took so far was a success...

He knows the telecom budget as he's the minister... fe3lan the only minister to work for the benefit of the country...

Can i know what success he did on position of telecom minister?

[Mar1K]

Originally Posted by nuclearcat

Can i know what success he did on position of telecom minister?

If you can't see it then it's one of 2:

1- You're blind
2- You're a 14er lol.

mate, let's try to keep the technology forum out of politics, i am sick and disgusted from politics... I ask you, Please, be reasonable bala ma nsayyis this thread... walla 2refna l siyeseh wlo...

[tikamak]

Originally Posted by nuclearcat

The actual thing Ogero can do - build fiber between exchanges, and to official ISP locations , by request, not for free for sure. Then charge ISP's reasonable rate monthly. Thats what done in Saudi and any country who have brain in their skull. This fiber will be sold and profitable each month, means will bring money for government. Also it will help to remove ugly big microwaves from towers, and will make Lebanon telecom infrastructure less vulnerable. They can sell data capacity (Mbit/s) and lambda capacity (optical frequency range). I think even companies will buy capacity to connect branches.
But covering by FTTH network one small area, it is throwing money to air.

/agree 100%.

The minister is not knowledgeable about such issues it is your job to clarify that this step is utterly wrong ... Can anyone help in this forum ? anyone with a high rank in FPM can meet with nuclearcat, hear him out then refer his ideas to Gebran or secure a meeting between them ?

[tikamak]

ISP fiber backbone should be established, then everyone in lebanon can have access to this ... maybe make a law that forbid ISPs to hog bandwidth like IDM, sodetel, cyberia, terranet ..... does.

anyone's ping with his ISP is 10 ms max ... interconnection between ISPs can make it that 2nd level users have the same ping as if they are directly connected to ogero,

so connecting ogero to some people in hamra and achrafieh with fiber is stupid. but it's a trial anyway, better than previous ministers ...

[nuclearcat]

Originally Posted by Mar1K

If you can't see it then it's one of 2:

1- You're blind
2- You're a 14er lol.

mate, let's try to keep the technology forum out of politics, i am sick and disgusted from politics... I ask you, Please, be reasonable bala ma nsayyis this thread... walla 2refna l siyeseh wlo...

1 - I am not lebanese, and i dont know arabic. So whatever you say arabic i dont understand you.
2 - The same about N1 and N2, i see much better than you what is happening in IT in Lebanon, and i'm away from any political party. Actually i hate politics and etc. I love to do my job technically only.
3 - Only cows and sheeps staying out of politics when politics trying to fuckup their work.

Once more again i ask, WHAT EXACTLY he did successfully? Let's talk technically, by facts.

[nuclearcat]

Originally Posted by tikamak

ISP fiber backbone should be established, then everyone in lebanon can have access to this ... maybe make a law that forbid ISPs to hog bandwidth like IDM, sodetel, cyberia, terranet ..... does.

anyone's ping with his ISP is 10 ms max ... interconnection between ISPs can make it that 2nd level users have the same ping as if they are directly connected to ogero,

so connecting ogero to some people in hamra and achrafieh with fiber is stupid. but it's a trial anyway, better than previous ministers ...

Well, i think as soon as IDM, sodetel and others will have access to cheap capacity they will not hog bandwidth as it happen now.

TRA is trying to establish quality standards... but well, everybody need laws and infrastructure to follow this standards.
For example noone from ISP's will invest to fiber, till there is no fair access to underground communications (it is Ogero monopoly now). It can remain the same, but Ogero should provide way to rent from them capacity then. But they dont have actually fiber, and not capable to build this fiber (no money).

At same time private ISP's CAN build this fiber network, while government dont spend even penny, and government even can force them to share with all marketplayers with reasonable price, this is how it is done in world. Instead of creating law (what is really job of ministers) after negotiating with all market players, and let this players invest in lebanese telecom, minister doing a job of private companies and throwing in air 10 millions that can help to fight with social issues.