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ok i knew that you were gonna say that so imagine this: you hire a guy for IT department ... he did nothing all day long ... you fire him and hire another one, new guy did everything wrong but was very excited about work all day long ...

are you telling me that it's better to fire the new guy and hire back the old guy who did nothing ? or maybe try to train the new guy by professionals and he could be a big asset in the future ?
Depends on the job. On running network i will prefer guy who is doing nothing, but at least doing minimum to keep network running, than some "student" who **** up all network and make me loose all business.
But right answer , i will find 3rd guy, who will do job properly.

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moral of the story, you are a professional in the field, use it to help us instead of bitch all day about how gebran is stupid and doing it wrong,he should be castrated, he shouldn't be breastfed, he should sit on a pole ... i can assure you that this will only lead for the better.
How should i help? Come to ministry and tell "i want speak with minister"? Well, i tried something to do similar to that (over local FPM offices) - no luck. Minister have headache, how to fill budget of country and at same time make all happy, such as businesses and simple people. Yes i have ideas about that, but sure it is subject of study and it must be researched by multiple professionals in this areas, no mistakes should be done, like this silly ideas about FTTH. Minister should listen to TRA at least.

At same time it is easier to contact same level politicians over other parties. Real experience. Seems FPM so far from regular citizens.

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now let's talk business : you told me you're ukrainian :P, am a 23 year old blond dude, great job, huge income, tall 185cm, computer and communication engineer, green eyes, stud ... you have anyone to introduce me to :P ? i know ukrainian girls are very beautiful, come on.
To get nice russian/ukrainian girl u need learn russian. Girls who know english well and talk with foreign guys and lying professionally about love - mostly all bitches.
So learn russian, this is first step. :-)
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Depends on the job. On running network i will prefer guy who is doing nothing, but at least doing minimum to keep network running, than some "student" who **** up all network and make me loose all business.
But right answer , i will find 3rd guy, who will do job properly.


How should i help? Come to ministry and tell "i want speak with minister"? Well, i tried something to do similar to that (over local FPM offices) - no luck. Minister have headache, how to fill budget of country and at same time make all happy, such as businesses and simple people. Yes i have ideas about that, but sure it is subject of study and it must be researched by multiple professionals in this areas, no mistakes should be done, like this silly ideas about FTTH. Minister should listen to TRA at least.

At same time it is easier to contact same level politicians over other parties. Real experience. Seems FPM so far from regular citizens.
All this am not interested in ...

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To get nice russian/ukrainian girl u need learn russian. Girls who know english well and talk with foreign guys and lying professionally about love - mostly all bitches.
So learn russian, this is first step. :-)
Now this is what am interested in: is russian hard ? can you suggest a means to learn this language ?
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you have a daughter or a sister or something like that ? am a very nice guy :)

no offense here.
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My relatives have their own right to choose husband :-) I dont interfere with their private life.
It is offtopic also
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ofc they have the right lol, anyone has the right, am just asking you if i could meet them, only that. No obligations :P whatsoever.

what's wrong with off topic ? all that's been said is BS, what we're talking here is much more important, at least for me :P
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During an interview with Shirley Murr a couple of weeks ago, Jebran was not able to recall the Ministry of Telecommunication's website. I am sure he is capable of mixing bits and bytes!

But this is very exiting news... we are really lacking behind other countries at the internet level, and businesses are only starting to use powerfull internet tools to increase their productivity and growth
We're lacking on everything not just the internet level. Yet, having a fiber optic infrastructure can benefit every communication sectors.
It's not just about how much upload and download speed we'll be getting; banks, hospitals, army, etc. can benefit from fiber optics.
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Look to Ukraine, country where i was living before. There is Orange party ruling the country. Previous government also was sitting and playing with balls, but country was GROWING. Then party came, who took also Orange color and promissed changes. Few years passed. The thing they tried also was unprofessional, and everybody told they "need to learn", "at least they are trying something", "they are trying to do good for country".
Well at the end orangists ruin everything. I can tell in details what happened, but in short it is same as Gebran Bassil doing now. Now Ukraine is bankrupt and economics is dead. All people understood, that better to have people who play with balls, but at least they let people WORK without shaking all country by unprofessional decisions.

So the thing i am telling is already my sad experience and it is future that waiting Lebanon, if people "who dont play with balls" will do action here.

Sorry Orange guys, mostly my friends was people with FPM. They was telling, Orange here is different and etc. When **** happened i asked, can we do something? You was all talking Aoun and all Orange politicians good people and close to citizens, we can talk and solve everything, and you all have connections with them. Well, it is time now to talk. Many christians, mostly FPM areas sitting without internet, people loosing money, and loosing business. I tried ALL possible connections, my and not mine. Useless. It is worse than Marwan Hamadeh. Now i am telling, that please while you are with me, dont talk how good is FPM.
I still didn't lost hope that there is way to talk with someone from FPM, to make things better here. But i start also recovering my own business, outside Lebanon. All what i see happening now, just where i'm experienced - it is complete disaster and death of country.

And last thing. Country need solutions NOW. People need to work NOW, and they want to eat DAILY. So there is no time till Geban Bassil learn how to work. Let him hire _INDEPENDENT_ _PROFESSIONAL_ consultants from outside at least and listen to them.
I don't think that Bassil wakes up in the morning and says: "hmmm... what should i be doing today to improve communication...? mmm... let me think... aha... eureka! I must install fiber optics everywhere..."
If this is what he's doing, u're completely right and this is where Lebanon is heading. But I think that the minister has a team of experts around him. The plan he offered isn't perfect and is a bottle neck but as I wrote previously the fiber optics infrastructure is useful in several sectors... yet I have to agree that this isn't the right time.

DSL is hardly 2 years old. We're planning as if the country is leaking oil or something.
This is a big project that maybe should be studied a few years after our economy starts growing and the our country stabilizes.
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We're lacking on everything not just the internet level. Yet, having a fiber optic infrastructure can benefit every communication sectors.
It's not just about how much upload and download speed we'll be getting; banks, hospitals, army, etc. can benefit from fiber optics.
FTTH is the thing that exactly will do in opposite.
FTTH, it is when fiber coming directly to customer premises. I was discussing this project with one telecom, who did test implementation in some area. The issues that happen:


1)Fiber cable not flexible as copper. If you exceed allowed turn angle you will loose few db's. Means you cannot place anywhere as copper in building. It is easy to place on relatively straight trenches or poles, but very difficult to place in house. External fiber which used for transport links outside is very thick, you even cannot do wrong angle, but cable in building is much more thin,
If you are living in building which BUILT WITH FIBER IN MIND, means have special cable channels, yes it will be reasonable to put fiber there. In most of lebanese houses in best case only telephone wires available, and it is difficult to put UTP even.
2)Fiber cable for "in-house" placement is very sensitive to curving. Basically those people who is installing cables in Lebanon will damage them. And way how everything done here, it will be difficult to find where and who did it. To diagnose such problems you need very expensive reflectometer and very good knowledge how to use it.
3)Fiber-splicing is much more complicated in Lebanon, usually it takes 1 day to splice 12-24 cable, for local techs, and they do it not very well. Additionally each fiber would cost $50 and more, just for work. To compare, just UTP cable take 30 seconds, and cost of connector is few cents. Good fiber splicing machine cost around $10000 and more.
4)For distance less than 100 meters (and it is distance inside house) there is no difference between fiber and copper. You can get easily gigabit on both. But difference in price huge.
5)Customer equipment to terminate this fiber also cost money. Simple Lebanese just cannot afford them yet. To terminate gigabit u need $10-$15 card, to terminate fiber you need at least fiber converter, which will cost $100-$200, and actually it is not very useful for end-user, since it had some limitations and lack of way to monitor it properly. You need also switch which will terminate all this customers, it will cost also $100-$200 per port. You need also UPS also for it and place to host it in house (if you do aggregation in house). For copper connection you need network card, that can be found in any shop. Yes copper more sensitive for lightening, but if in-house cabling done properly, it will not be affected.
6)If fiber cable is broken,kids damage, someone hit it, during some work, it is actually not like glass, but sensitive to mechanical shocks), it can be spliced. But it will cost time and money and again special equipment used. If cable broken many times it cannot be recovered, because each time you are splicing broken cable, his capabilities degrading.


The main issue in this test implementation this telecom hit - regular people often broke fiber in their house, or someone damage fiber by mistake. You need army of educated people, with expensive fiber splicers to fix this issues. It is just not profitable and not reliable at the end. While UTP for most of customers can be recrimped by any tech.

Thats why everybody does in best case FTTB.
I am not taking all this from google, i have fiber splicer at home and actually doing for my network splicing and doing for people who ask it. It is simple and complicated at same time.
So fiber is good generally, but it doesnt mean anything that have word "fiber" is good for Lebanon. For same amount of money you can cover few times more bigger area and provide same capacity. And what is defined in article - sounds like total ********. I dont understand how person like minister talk about FTTH, while his country telecoms not able to provide interconnection for ISP's more than 2-10 Mbit/s.
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lebanon's economy is very healthy, now is the time to start big projects.
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Ya 3ammeh Y2awwe El Ogera ..
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