Fiber optic in Beirut

[Flakk]

Originally Posted by IA64

Define progress

wtf
do you actually live in this country?

[Kingroudy]

Very interesting if he said anything like that. Even he mix megabits with megabytes, here is no 2 mbit/s. Even he can provide transport for 70 Mbps, it will be useful for some robbing TV company. And marketwise it is drop in the sea. This service useless in 2 areas, it have to be countrywide to be successfull and good for all Lebanese people.
IMHO FTTH is not what country need this days. Country in hunder of international bandwidth. Country in hunger of fiber capacity between cities, to provide decent service for cellulars and interconnection for ISP's. All that can DROP prices.
And minister doing FTTH for two areas, that will cost $15 millions. HA-HA-HA
70 Mbps (even Megabits) will cost with current Ogero prices 100000$/month. And they cannot provide it (they dont have money to pay for international capacity). Or maybe you want 70 Mbps with quota 1GB? :-P and each additional GB - ***** LL. Hehe!

Sorry Orange people, but seems your ministers pickpocketing money much faster than their precedessors. I'm very pissed off what happened with industry when FPM minister came to telecom. I hope that i am wrong.

dude u have some issues, maybe because Bassil whooped VISP's ***. second, the bandwidth will come through the undersea cable that ogero will be connected to in the future, the minister is not an idiot to provide high link capacity without internet bandwidth.

[IA64]

Originally Posted by Flakk

wtf
do you actually live in this country?

Yeah I do but I think you also caught the lebanese flu... mixing everything with politics.. I do not want to join the debate because I am not really here for political discussions as I am more interested in technology... But let me tell you one thing.. When you see operators not able to connect you to 111 and alfa asking subscribers to start using sms because they are cheaper, it is infact because they cannot support the huge load on the network now that they reduced the tariff.. I have plenty of things to say but as I said, I do not want it to sound as a political debate but one thing you should you and I already said that before:

Bassil should start focusing on how to make things better before thinking of making them cheaper.

[Flakk]

Originally Posted by IA64

Yeah I do but I think you also caught the lebanese flu... mixing everything with politics.. I do not want to join the debate because I am not really here for political discussions as I am more interested in technology... But let me tell you one thing.. When you see operators not able to connect you to 111 and alfa asking subscribers to start using sms because they are cheaper, it is infact because they cannot support the huge load on the network now that they reduced the tariff.. I have plenty of things to say but as I said, I do not want it to sound as a political debate but one thing you should you and I already said that before:

Bassil should start focusing on how to make things better before thinking of making them cheaper.

I didn't mix anything with politics, you started talking trash about the minister and im responding.
all im saying that in such a short time a noticeable progress was made and in my opinion should be appreciated.

[IA64]

Originally Posted by Flakk

I didn't mix anything with politics, you started talking trash about the minister and im responding.
all im saying that in such a short time a noticeable progress was made and in my opinion should be appreciated.

Where are you reading trash posts by me about the minister ? I asked you to explain the word Progress ... If you mean progress putting plans then maybe yes but youve just replied in a sarcastic way asking me if I belong to here, typical Lebanese way to answer questions. If you really have something to say, make it clear. What are the improvements and where. I believe they are on the way but so far, pardon me, I cannot really judge.

[nuclearcat]

Originally Posted by Kingroudy

dude u have some issues, maybe because Bassil whooped VISP's ***. second, the bandwidth will come through the undersea cable that ogero will be connected to in the future, the minister is not an idiot to provide high link capacity without internet bandwidth.

I want to give you few FACTS, please give me ur FACTS. Not ******** talks or lie of guys on TV, which cannot be used as proof.

Undersea? Which Ogero didn't paid for completely? They paid only initial fee. Project name is I-ME-WE. Yes, maybe they will bring cable, because they dont have choice, but pricing will be terrible for Lebanon or they will bring just to someone who is able to pay and he is nearby, like Cyprus or Syria. Source of information: Top management person from Tata telecom (India).

They didnt pay for capacity for BtN 6 month (European connectivity), and anyone who is connected over Ogero DSL can confirm, that ping to EU WOW is higher than US WOW. Source of information: manager in BtN.

And, sorry ur minister promissed in 2 month to boost 20x times internet speed and less prices. Where is it? As i know all ISP's cutting offers like unlimited quota and double, because half of them forced to use satellite downloads. Some even using jewish satellite companies. I dont want to bust anyone ***, and to give names, but it is a fact.
Source: reality

[nuclearcat]

The Daily Star - Business Articles - Bassil unveils study to install high speed fiber-optic Internet cables
I'm not talking even 70Mbit/s or 70 Mbyte/s, let's say journalists didn't heard well words.

Another thing. To cover such area, STUDY and such ******** about 10 month.
Just one of my collegaues did in another country 30km fiber connectivity between areas and in areas in city. It cost them ... $30000. This cost include study, licenses, creating infrastructure(in lebanon it is exist from Ogero), shielded cable (more expensive, cause environtment is more harsh there). Ok 400km as he says $400000.
Btw 400km u can wrap each citizen in this area by fiber IMHO.

Another thing, even in USA FTTH is not very popular, because it is very expensive in maintenance. Most profitable and reasonable by expenses it is FTTB, and most real for Lebanon.

Another lie, for example.
35,000 subscribers in Achrafieh.
Factbox for Achrafieh
Companies 3143
Population 78295
Homes 21217
Usually people don't buy 2 accounts for 1 home. 24351 potential customers. If EACH have computer at home. And actually by TRA information (TRA - Telecommunications Regulatory Authority) penetration of PC's 52%. 21217*0.52+3143=14176 customers. It is IF they will buy ONLY from Ogero.
So... sorry, from where 35000?

[Kingroudy]

Originally Posted by nuclearcat

I want to give you few FACTS, please give me ur FACTS. Not ******** talks or lie of guys on TV, which cannot be used as proof.

Undersea? Which Ogero didn't paid for completely? They paid only initial fee. Project name is I-ME-WE. Yes, maybe they will bring cable, because they dont have choice, but pricing will be terrible for Lebanon or they will bring just to someone who is able to pay and he is nearby, like Cyprus or Syria. Source of information: Top management person from Tata telecom (India).

They didnt pay for capacity for BtN 6 month (European connectivity), and anyone who is connected over Ogero DSL can confirm, that ping to EU WOW is higher than US WOW. Source of information: manager in BtN.

And, sorry ur minister promissed in 2 month to boost 20x times internet speed and less prices. Where is it? As i know all ISP's cutting offers like unlimited quota and double, because half of them forced to use satellite downloads. Some even using jewish satellite companies. I dont want to bust anyone ***, and to give names, but it is a fact.
Source: reality

dude the I-ME-WE will provide a lot of cheap bandwidth. how come being connected to a 3.84 terabits/s cable will not lower the prices. i know that this cable is not ours, but even 1% of it will be a relief. is there any reason for the bandwidth to be expensive other than its low availability?

about paying the cost of it, i don't think that the other 8 giant companies including ittisalat, stc and france telecomm will be waiting for ogero to pay its small share of the price, and i don't think ogero will miss the chance of being involved in such project.

[Flakk]

Originally Posted by IA64

Where are you reading trash posts by me about the minister ?

meh dunno! just my imagination! sry!

Originally Posted by IA64

It is obvious he doesnt know the difference between Bits and Bytes... I forgive him.. election season...

[nuclearcat]

Originally Posted by Kingroudy

dude the I-ME-WE will provide a lot of cheap bandwidth. how come being connected to a 3.84 terabits/s cable will not lower the prices. i know that this cable is not ours, but even 1% of it will be a relief. is there any reason for the bandwidth to be expensive other than its low availability?

about paying the cost of it, i don't think that the other 8 giant companies including ittisalat, stc and france telecomm will be waiting for ogero to pay its small share of the price, and i don't think ogero will miss the chance of being involved in such project.

Your country govenment owe to world $42 BILLIONS. Some part of it including internet payments. European internet doors almost all closed for Lebanon government because of debts. And this cable by fact is European. As some rumours says Lebanon will buy from someone he didn't owe money, like arabic country (UAE, Saudi)... well, internet there is already almost same expensive as in Lebanon, plus include transportation cost, plus include their interest. Definitely not what you expect, cheaper and fast.
The issue again, debt. If government open internet market for companies, not government monopoly, and you will open gate for internet. At the end government will collect much more from taxes and licenses. Private companies building FTTH , FTTB much more efficiently, they can bring investments to emerging lebanese market, while government have empty pockets and no qualified personnel to work with IT.

Another facts

To be involved, to have name in list, it is easy, you should pay initial fee. Other big companies actually don't care much, because there is more hungry buyers around, such as Turkey, Cyprus, and probably Syria. Btw caucasus (Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan) also in internet hunger, they will buy this capacity till last drop, if someone give them this pipe. And they are also nearby. Or lebanon will not own some capacity on this fiber at the end, and he will pay interest fees to Tata or others. And believe me for companies who promiss and didn't pay in time, and companies as Tata was forced to open pocket in hard times and pay to finish construction, they will make very ugly prices and conditions.

Another thing, 3.84 TBit/s is PLANNED capacity to India and Pakistan. This capacity should be reached in few years, fiber don't give all capacity directly after construction, it is just technical issue. I dont have exact information, but very big part of capacity sold to India and Pakistan. Lebanon just have few drops and interconnectivity to other nearby countries on the intersection.