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Default 4 "Reasons" to Dump Linux - 1st March 2007

Okay, so I love Linux, but maybe when you think about switching from XP, you should consider Vista. Here are my top four reasons you should move to Vista instead of Linux.

Reason number one: Linux is boring. When I run Linux, I don't have the excitement of wondering whether an e-mail, IM, or Web page is going to give my system the latest worm or virus. Where's the fun in that? I know Microsoft promises Vista represents significant and noticeable changes to the operating system, locking it down in the interest of security . . . Oh, wait, I'm quoting from a 2003 story about XP SP2. Silly me.

I'm sure Microsoft will turn in a secure OS this time. Just look at Internet *Explorer 7—it's much more secure! It took almost a whole day before the security company Secunia found that a hacker could trick IE7 into showing malicious content by spoofing a pop-up window opened on a trusted site.

I know some of you think that the only reason Windows gets all the neat malware is because it's so popular. Why would anyone attack Linux? Just because 60 percent of the world's 100 million Web sites run Linux, that's no reason to try to crack Linux. No, it's not that Windows has historically been as secure as a papier-mâché fortress; it must be because Linux just isn't very popular.

Reason number two: Linux is a pain to set up. With Linux, you need to put in a CD or DVD, hit the enter button, give your computer a name, and enter a password for the administrator account. Heck, you could break a nail that way! Almost all early customers of Vista will need to redeem their upgrade coupons and then replace their new PC's XP with Vista. That'll be loads of fun.

Reason number three: Linux is expensive. Linux is often free, but look at all that time you spend setting it up. Most people will end up buying new PCs with Vista preinstalled. Doesn't everyone and every business have the money to buy new systems? Why, just now I went over to Dell and priced out an OptiPlex 745 minitower with a 1.8-GHz Duo, a DVD±RW and 48X CD-ROM SATA drive, an 80GB SATA hard drive and 2GB of RAM, and a 256MB ATI Radeon X1300 Pro graphics card for an "enhanced Vista Experience." It'll run me only $1,375. Of course, I won't get a keyboard, mouse, or monitor at that price.

With Linux, unless I buy one of those less-than-$1,000 boxes with the OS preinstalled, I have to set it up myself! It took me at least half an hour to set up Linux on a 2.8-GHz Pentium IV PC with 512MB of RAM, a 60GB Ultra ATA/100 hard drive, and an nVidia GeForce4 MX 440 AGP graphics board with 64MB of DDR memory. That system cost me $499.

Reason number four: Linux doesn't have enough apps. Most Linux systems come only with secure Web browsers, like Firefox 2.0; e-mail clients, like Evolution 2.6 and Thunderbird 2.0; IM clients, like Gaim 1.5; office suites, like Open*Office.org 2.0.4; and so on. By my count, my copy of SUSE Linux has only more than 100 apps. Microsoft gives you Internet Explorer and Outlook *Express, the most popular Web browser and e-mail client around...even though they do have a few teeny-weeny security problems. Microsoft also has Office, which . . . oh, wait: You don't get that with Vista, do you?

Just because some apps such as the Juniper Networks' Odyssey wireless LAN client WLAN, Cisco Systems' VPN client, and Norton AntiVirus 10 don't work right with Vista is no reason to think many of your current apps either won't work or will need to be upgraded.

Still, as long as you want to run Microsoft programs at Microsoft prices, Windows is the OS for you! If you really think about it, you can find lots of reasons to run Vista instead of Linux. There just aren't any good ones.


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Reason number four: Linux doesn't have enough apps. Most Linux systems come only with secure Web browsers, like Firefox 2.0; e-mail clients, like Evolution 2.6 and Thunderbird 2.0; IM clients, like Gaim 1.5; office suites, like Open*Office.org 2.0.4; and so on. By my count, my copy of SUSE Linux has only more than 100 apps. Microsoft gives you Internet Explorer and Outlook *Express, the most popular Web browser and e-mail client around...even though they do have a few teeny-weeny security problems. Microsoft also has Office, which . . . oh, wait: You don't get that with Vista, do you?

Just because some apps such as the Juniper Networks' Odyssey wireless LAN client WLAN, Cisco Systems' VPN client, and Norton AntiVirus 10 don't work right with Vista is no reason to think many of your current apps either won't work or will need to be upgraded.

Still, as long as you want to run Microsoft programs at Microsoft prices, Windows is the OS for you! If you really think about it, you can find lots of reasons to run Vista instead of Linux. There just aren't any good ones.


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However we all agree that vista is a complete failure and everybody is
downgrading back to XP.
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Ok Osiris, you're obviously being sarcastic.

Say I want to buy a new computer, where and how do I get Linux set up? And does Linux support everything Windows does? And most importantly, is it game-friendly??
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A quick look and the highlighted parts in red say it all.

However we all agree that vista is a complete failure and everybody is
downgrading back to XP.
well 2awal matoli3 2el xp people said its a complete failure.but with time everything became compatible with xp (programs , games etc..) people changed their mind about it. i think we should give vista time before judging.
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since this can of worms has already been opened

my 2 cents:

i am not an MS apologist, but Vista is not the bad OS it has been made out to be, i have been running it on my laptop for a year and a half non stop and i have yet to face a major issuse, nor have i ever felt it to be slow. true vista promised more features that were veentually dropped but beyond this there isn't much wrong with it.

about mac, apple is just as bad as microsoft when it comes to business. they claw you inside a small circle of limited prodcuts that only they deliver, hooking you in a vicious cycle of macs, make you pay 125 dollars for what is essentially a service pack (the succesive OSX versions), provide sub par hardware and overcharge you for good upgrades (i have yet to see a mac laptop with more than 2gb ram standard), and overhype themselves with faulty marketing, and make you pay a great premium for design and branding over comparative hardware from other brands. there security is also a huge myth, had the mac market share been significant, the pool of hackers and virus writers would ahve been greater and the OSX would have sucked as much as microsoft (i have yet to get a virus on my vista laptop yet it is connected to the net 24/24).

don't get me wrong microsoft is not an angel, it is just as bad, but i rather have windows on my laptop and be able to upgrade and configure as much as i want my hardware from any brand i want, then get locked with apple.

OS wise, linux is the best proposition, free, full of features, light, secure, and very capable, and you can natively run it on any hardware. i am making the final switch in a couple of month when i get a new laptop.
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you get linux as a download for free from their website, Ubuntu Home Page | Ubuntu
you will want the desktop edition either in 32 or 64 bit
in general running linux has very few issues, sometimes you will face a few compatibility issues at the beginning if ubuntu doesn't have native drivers for your hardware, but these can be easily solved online.

it is not very game friendly in the sense that most games are not compiled for linux, but the pool of available games is increasing

alternatively there is an application called wine, it emulates a windows environment and enables you to install and run any application. this will result in slower performance in absolute for some of the more intensive applications. but in general whatever performance you loose in emulation is largely offset by the freed up resources when running linux not windows. in the real worl you will not feel a thing.

if you are a serious gamer, windows is better for the single reason that most games are meant to run in Direct X. and newer games require or are enhanced by direct X 10, which is only available in vista.

thus it would be preferable for gamers to run a stripped version of win Vista home premium as dual boot with linux, or not to consider linux at all. for my usage, mainly matlab simulations, and engineering applications linux offers a considerable advantage. especially since i am not that much of a gamer.

keep in mind linux is not very friendly with dell laptops, they require a bit of tricks to properly set up outside of a clean install as dell has some tricky paritioning on their hard drives.
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Ok Osiris, you're obviously being sarcastic.

Say I want to buy a new computer, where and how do I get Linux set up? And does Linux support everything Windows does? And most importantly, is it game-friendly??
Buy a dell, they can give you a machine with Ubuntu. (that if your buying a pc as for servers, well, who uses a windows server these days lol)

Linux has it's own apps. Everything you need is there, you can even import your outlook pst files into linux these days.

and for whatever software that was coded for windows, there's wine
a windows environment for Linux users

Don't you just love Linux ?
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i would never buy a dell laptop preloaded with linux, it's only marginally cheaper than the same laptop with windows (around $50 whereas the most basic windows license is above $150) so they are ripping you off, and the hardware lags behinds windows laptops, (go configure an XPS M1330 with both vista and ubunut on the deel website and check for yourself)

if you are bent on ubuntu get a laptop with no OS preinstalled (cheaper) and install whatever linux version you like and spend a couple of hours looking for drivers if you hit a snag. else since you are going to pay same money for the windows dell, buy a windows laptop, format it again to remove any unecessary partitioning and backup, and install linux as dual boot for whenver you might need this or that
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i think we should give vista time before judging.
I think you should do it.

I'm not microsoft OS products user and for now i've never felt the
need to become one...
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hehehe really nice :D
The funny thing is that if you have Linux and Windows on the same machine Linux does see windows but not the way around.
However i have Windows XP hosted in a virtual machine on my Linux Ubuntu system.
As for servers, windows server is a synonyms of "Ow, server down!".
It's really nice to have both, but windows is really pain in the neck, you got tones of things to worry about. I installed linux few months already and it's as fast as the first day i installed it.
PS: no anti-virus or any of that xxxx... knowing that i got a powerful machine of 3ghz core 2 duo, 4gb RAM...
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