what you are ready to do for him/her ?

[Chief]

Originally Posted by Maggie

sorry ... i am asking for sharing life with him ... i don't need a slave

to get what you want , you should set a high sa2ef or else you will end up doing everything for him beleive me, we are selfish par defaut

[Xena]

if i found someone i love, i'd happily do anything to make him happy, since it will also make me happy!
you can never bring rationality to a relationship based on love and start measuring the degrees of equality and how things should be...
it's true folly to perceive life as it is and not as it should be ("La folie suprême n'est-elle pas de voir la vie telle qu'elle est et non telle qu'elle devrait être?" -Cervantes)..and there's nothing better than crazy love

the major thing that can s***w things up is the lack of appreciation... but when there's love there's always appreciation.

[scorpion]

In my opinion, regarding high divorce rates and problems between men/women, it is the result of extreme freedom given to women; do not understand me wrong and believe that I am against freedom of women but I believe there are some limits, some facts in life that should be respected.

Let me start with what's mentioned in the Holy Bible: "Women obei your men, for men are the head of the house, 2ayyouha lnisa2 2ikhda3na li rijalakom li2anna lrajol ra2s lmar2a" of course it also says that men should respect their women and love them. Even in one version I read (Catholic bibles have minor differences from Orthodox ones) that it says: Women Obei your men......and even Sara used to call Ibrahim "Sir".

Believe me it is not by coincidence that they read it during wedding ceremonies, but unfortunately todays women translate clear sentences in Bible to their favor. I mean for sure Men should respect women, love women, not treat them as slaves, listen to them, care for them, but when it comes to major decision making, women should always remember the above sentence a Man by nature by religion by by by likes to be the decision maker. and if a woman tries to take control he might agree and shut up for a while to avoid problems but ends up cheating on her wbyehshal

a house is a small evrsion of a state or country, there should be a final decision maker, they argue they communicate they have discussions but at the end one person shall make the decision. Or the house will end up in a mess like LEBANON where everybody wants to take the president his powerss.

Excuse me Ladies no offence, go thru all my post and I am open and waiting for replies and discussions

[Salome]

Originally Posted by scorpion

In my opinion, regarding high divorce rates and problems between men/women, it is the result of extreme freedom given to women; do not understand me wrong and believe that I am against freedom of women but I believe there are some limits, some facts in life that should be respected.

Let me start with what's mentioned in the Holy Bible: "Women obei your men, for men are the head of the house, 2ayyouha lnisa2 2ikhda3na li rijalakom li2anna lrajol ra2s lmar2a" of course it also says that men should respect their women and love them. Even in one version I read (Catholic bibles have minor differences from Orthodox ones) that it says: Women Obei your men......and even Sara used to call Ibrahim "Sir".

Believe me it is not by coincidence that they read it during wedding ceremonies, but unfortunately todays women translate clear sentences in Bible to their favor. I mean for sure Men should respect women, love women, not treat them as slaves, listen to them, care for them, but when it comes to major decision making, women should always remember the above sentence a Man by nature by religion by by by likes to be the decision maker. and if a woman tries to take control he might agree and shut up for a while to avoid problems but ends up cheating on her wbyehshal

If your name is after your horoscope sign, then no wonder why you have this view.

a house is a small evrsion of a state or country, there should be a final decision maker, they argue they communicate they have discussions but at the end one person shall make the decision.

And that one person shall be the man by all means?

Or the house will end up in a mess like LEBANON where everybody wants to take the president his powerss.

How funny that all those brilliant leaders who screwed Lebanon for decades were mainly scorpions:p

[†.)]

Originally Posted by Maggie

Dalzi you made my day hahaha

thanks for your nice reply
i have a question for you: if one day you were cooking and he entered the kitchen to help you ... but he burned the food and you were so tired preparing it and you were almost done ... what would be your reaction?

[Maggie]

Originally Posted by scorpion

In my opinion, regarding high divorce rates and problems between men/women, it is the result of extreme freedom given to women; do not understand me wrong and believe that I am against freedom of women but I believe there are some limits, some facts in life that should be respected.

Let me start with what's mentioned in the Holy Bible: "Women obei your men, for men are the head of the house, 2ayyouha lnisa2 2ikhda3na li rijalakom li2anna lrajol ra2s lmar2a" of course it also says that men should respect their women and love them. Even in one version I read (Catholic bibles have minor differences from Orthodox ones) that it says: Women Obei your men......and even Sara used to call Ibrahim "Sir".

Believe me it is not by coincidence that they read it during wedding ceremonies, but unfortunately todays women translate clear sentences in Bible to their favor. I mean for sure Men should respect women, love women, not treat them as slaves, listen to them, care for them, but when it comes to major decision making, women should always remember the above sentence a Man by nature by religion by by by likes to be the decision maker. and if a woman tries to take control he might agree and shut up for a while to avoid problems but ends up cheating on her wbyehshal

a house is a small evrsion of a state or country, there should be a final decision maker, they argue they communicate they have discussions but at the end one person shall make the decision. Or the house will end up in a mess like LEBANON where everybody wants to take the president his powerss.

Excuse me Ladies no offence, go thru all my post and I am open and waiting for replies and discussions

Dear Scorpio
it's not about freedom given to women, because what we are facing these days as is totaly different, for example: he went out with his friends at night and came home late ... how she will react ? she will yell and make a big problem and accusing him he is cheating her and he was with another woman bla bla bla ... or just ask him if he had fun and how was the night and be happy because he spent a nice time with his friends.

if i am going to be in a relation i want to have a real man in my life ... taking decisions and take care of me and in my return i will take care of him and try my best to make him happy.

in the end man is a man and woman is a woman, i don't deny that we are very sensitive and need a support in our life need a man in our life ... but this doesn't change the situation that there is lack of communication between man and woman which it cause a lot of problems.

BTW ... i am scorpio too

[GMA forever]

The only thing I would want from my woman is pure, passionate and honest LOOOOOOVE.

All the rest mesh mashkal!

[scorpion]

Originally Posted by Salome

If your name is after your horoscope sign, then no wonder why you have this view.



And that one person shall be the man by all means?



How funny that all those brilliant leaders who screwed Lebanon for decades were mainly scorpions:p

- Yes I am a proud Scorpio:)
- I didn't say man by all means, but ok in some small issues they argue, communicate and the one with logical point of view convince the other. I am talking about BIG stuff, critical decisions, like for example the wife wants to stay in Lebanon near her mom, but the man gets a good opportunity abroad and situations in Lebanon are unstable and economy is wrecked, but the women insists that although man is right and logical she doesn't want to travel and move abroad, in this case in my humble opinion the Man is better decision maker who follows his logic whereas SOME women are blinded by sentiments and are better to OBEI not only MAN but also the BIBLE.

what about the BIBLE statements, any comments from your end Salome? of course if you are a Christian/religious given that I will not accept "This was in the old days of the Bible" as an answer.

- are you serious which brilliant leaders u r talkin about who were scopios? i know about Geagea and am initiating a law suit to prove that he wasn't really born in October thus not a scorpio...anyway you are mainly attacking my name and scorpios and zodiac signs...SEE how you didn't even follow logic in your answer, still talking horoscopes and stuff like this. Don't tell me you read horsoscopes and if in your husband's they say he will cheat on you, you make a fight. [do not get upset am kidding Okayyy]

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by der FPBer

the word discrimination doesnt necessary mean unfair treatment due to some prejudice! it has other meanings you know ;)

i could have used the term sexism instead if i wanted to hint to what you understood. i used sexual discrimination meaning the consideration of the differences of both sexes and acting upon it.

We're not doing that ;).

first of all, they arent different. now the hard part is to elaborate my point since it has to do with psychology which is not my speciality nor i do have the time for it right now!
as to the second part, it's off-topic to what hinted to.

They are different .

however here is the text i used:
"why would they or one of them has to change anything in her/his personality, principles, or behavior?!
arent they supposed to be at full satisfaction and harmony of and with each other in order for them to take such a decision?!"

Nope, they don't have to be in satisfaction and harmony with each other. There could be certain things you like about a person and certain things you simply cannot stand. If you're going to be "joly" with everything, then you're not on earth. Some people are kind of perfectionists, ma bye3jebon l3ajab lol. Those need to compromise and their partner would definitely need to change certain things. You have people who can't live with smokers (for health reasons); that's a habit for example that the other would have to change.

now, where did i mention that there should not be changes in the behavior or the principles in general?!

Here your'e contradicting the above ya der FPBer.

however, these changes should occur in a spontaneous evolution by the age, and another due to day to day interaction with the partner. the latter should occur in a non-compulsory manner. it's like a deal has to be made. it's about respect, responsibilty, tolerance and sharing. it's not like both partners are bound to be identical. thats why i labeled the examples given as trivial.

I agree, but there are things you can't live with from the beginning even if you are satisfied with your partner. I guess it depends on the person.... Some people live with anything while others don't...

no you missed my point. i meant that those trivial differences should be dealt with, if have to, in a spontaneous way. this is nothing to consider and stop at.

Oh boy they're to stop at! Especially if you're no longer a baby. You stop at every little detail. And simple bad habits can turn you off.

in the previous sentence i talked about early stages of partnership, so that in the following one i could mention the marriage status with a time referal in an absolute clear indication of the timeline used!
and you managed to fabricate a sarcastic joke of that!
it's not that you didnt look mahdoume with that , bass plz some more concentration would be appreciated.

It was late and I was sleepy lol.

Originally Posted by scorpion

In my opinion, regarding high divorce rates and problems between men/women, it is the result of extreme freedom given to women; do not understand me wrong and believe that I am against freedom of women but I believe there are some limits, some facts in life that should be respected.

Let me start with what's mentioned in the Holy Bible: "Women obei your men, for men are the head of the house, 2ayyouha lnisa2 2ikhda3na li rijalakom li2anna lrajol ra2s lmar2a" of course it also says that men should respect their women and love them. Even in one version I read (Catholic bibles have minor differences from Orthodox ones) that it says: Women Obei your men......and even Sara used to call Ibrahim "Sir".

Believe me it is not by coincidence that they read it during wedding ceremonies, but unfortunately todays women translate clear sentences in Bible to their favor. I mean for sure Men should respect women, love women, not treat them as slaves, listen to them, care for them, but when it comes to major decision making, women should always remember the above sentence a Man by nature by religion by by by likes to be the decision maker. and if a woman tries to take control he might agree and shut up for a while to avoid problems but ends up cheating on her wbyehshal

a house is a small evrsion of a state or country, there should be a final decision maker, they argue they communicate they have discussions but at the end one person shall make the decision. Or the house will end up in a mess like LEBANON where everybody wants to take the president his powerss.

Excuse me Ladies no offence, go thru all my post and I am open and waiting for replies and discussions

No offence, you said nothing but the truth. Good points. I wish all understand this so that we get that corrupt society back to what it was like. Ma3 2ayya khartoushe bet2abbe3 w betfell, kello mnel ghenj wel dala3. Excuse me ladies, this is what I believe. I'm kind of old fashioned... Don't know why I was 'moulded' like that...

[scorpion]

Originally Posted by Maggie

Dear Scorpio
it's not about freedom given to women, because what we are facing these days as is totaly different, for example: he went out with his friends at night and came home late ... how she will react ? she will yell and make a big problem and accusing him he is cheating her and he was with another woman bla bla bla ... or just ask him if he had fun and how was the night and be happy because he spent a nice time with his friends.

if i am going to be in a relation i want to have a real man in my life ... taking decisions and take care of me and in my return i will take care of him and try my best to make him happy.

in the end man is a man and woman is a woman, i don't deny that we are very sensitive and need a support in our life need a man in our life ... but this doesn't change the situation that there is lack of communication between man and woman which it cause a lot of problems.

BTW ... i am scorpio too

Dear Maggie and sister scoprio,

Thanks, and I see that mainly regarding my point of view we are on the same channel...

Regarding communication:
A SMART woman always knows how to deliver the message thru communication and how not to make Unhealthy fights with her man. In these issues like the out with friends you mentioned she might be right and might be wrong, they should sit and talk, like for example if he goes out rarely and do not leave her alone often and she also goes out with her friends then she'd better kiss him goodnight smile and sleep:). BUT if he makes an issue out of her going out, or he is leaving her alone often, then she should deliver the message but in a smart way like for ex. I am your wife your partner and I will be happy for you to go out but try to make it little bit less coz I get bored alone and do not want to go out without you often coz am a married women and out of respect for you I avoid what ppl seing me might say....She doesn't tell him what she wants from him directly but tells him what she would do and make him think about what she said and most probably get the message and appreciate her way of addressing things.