Saudi Arabian girl, 8 years old , seeks divorce

[lady_forever]

Originally Posted by Mar1K

اعذرني و لكن...: ؤ

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اعذرني

اعذرني اذا فقدت رشدي و صوابي عندما قرأت تبريرك لهذه الجريمة
اعذرني ان تلفظت بشيء عندما رأيت عبارتك المهينة
اعذرني ان كان سلامك ثقيل علي

ثماني سنوات.... اي حب ؟؟؟ اي دراية ؟؟؟ اي علم؟؟؟ اي اثارة تملك بنت الثماني؟؟؟
بأي حق تبرر ؟؟؟ المجتمع الغربي فاسد و كلنا يعلم و لكن هل هاذا سبب لكي ندخل هكذا تصرفات الى مجتمعنا ؟؟؟

بارك لله بك و بالسعودية اذا كانت هذه عاداتكم

i really loved your words.and agree with you hundred percent.thank u

[SISCO]

Originally Posted by Ana

Not one.... according to human rights watch, on average, we have 1 maid per week committing suicide (or being killed) in Lebanon!

The author extends this to all the inhumane (and sometimes brutal) treatment Syrian workers have rec'd in Lebanon since 2005 (There's about 870 missing Syrian workers in Lebanon since 2005). He notes that those 870 disappeared due to our society's (not government's) actions.

Well, this is true !!! these maids are being hit, raped, etc.

There is a documentary that was realized by France2 (envoyé spéciale) that shows exactly the lebanese people human right conception.

We can not criticize the saudian about human rights and we treat the ethiopian, philipinian, etc. girls as animals.

[dodzi]

Well let's talk about that instead of pinpointing at EVERY single thing wrong with the world that has nothing to do with that!

Enno come on, everybody knows that arms dealing is wrong! And we should fight it! Don't hold every person responsible for these things, the same way I don't hold every person responsible if that girl gets married at that age! You could extrapolate as much as you want, won't change a thing.

I would be very happy to talk about arms dealing, but no longer in that thread, because it has gone way to far, as if you wanted us to talk about something else!

Let's talk about the abuse of the 3rd world by western people! Let's talk about the abuse of maids in Lebanon. Let's talk about slavery in the 19th century! Let's talk about colonialism! I'm not against talking about these things bess man dakhilak this thread is about something else!

We say their culture that permits such behavior is wrong! This is directly related to their culture! Then you say ooooh but culture that permits arms dealing is good? Akid la2! But I disagree with the fact that that is part of "our" culture! In fact, "our" culture totally opposes such things! You may say that blindness to your governmental behavior is part of our culture tayyeb. But that's what's wrong with the world isn't it? Unaccountability, non-transparency, the fact that people are more individualist, apathy... I totally agree! But that's like inherent to human behavior as a whole! It is something that should change, but is it part of western culture only? All cultures experience such things! But I believe there's one fundamental thing good in our culture, it is that children should not be abused! It is the freedom of expression and all individual freedom!

[friendofzeus]

The topic about culture clashes came forth when some members signaled how wrong the saudi's culture is and how much it should be changed. I replied by saying that no one has the right to change the aspects of other cultures and deem them to be incorrect while his society and culture are prone to making mistakes and lots of em. And the whole thing about the west being better and it boasting superior morals came forth. Which i objected. This is how the flow proceeded.

Ill make this short then, so we can concentrate on the issue of the little girl.
But instead of cursing at the people responsible for this tragedy, why dont we try to understand why such things happen, how do they galvanize into societies and cultures, who is responsible for such things happening and which is the effective way to reconcile the situation while taking in regards said nation's cultural heritage. Its all that i was asking for right from the beginning.

Enno come on, everybody knows that arms dealing is wrong! And we should fight it! Don't hold every person responsible for these things, the same way I don't hold every person responsible if that girl gets married at that age! You could extrapolate as much as you want, won't change a thing.

Let's talk about the abuse of the 3rd world by western people! Let's talk about the abuse of maids in Lebanon. Let's talk about slavery in the 19th century! Let's talk about colonialism! I'm not against talking about these things bess man dakhilak this thread is about something else!

We say their culture that permits such behavior is wrong! This is directly related to their culture! Then you say ooooh but culture that permits arms dealing is good? Akid la2! But I disagree with the fact that that is part of "our" culture! In fact, "our" culture totally opposes such things! You may say that blindness to your governmental behavior is part of our culture tayyeb. But that's what's wrong with the world isn't it? Unaccountability, non-transparency, the fact that people are more individualist, apathy... I totally agree! But that's like inherent to human behavior as a whole! It is something that should change, but is it part of western culture only? All cultures experience such things! But I believe there's one fundamental thing good in our culture, it is that children should not be abused! It is the freedom of expression and all individual freedom!

All right lets open a thread then, i give u the honors of setting this ship to sea :P.

[BOILER]

This is allowed in Islam.
I don't know what the hell are you arguing about.

[dodzi]

Originally Posted by BOILER

This is allowed in Islam.
I don't know what the hell are you arguing about.

Having sex with a minor girl isn't. Marriage is something else and related to culture! In the Arab world and elsewhere, many children get married before adulthood. In principle, they are only allowed to have sex once they get their periods. But who knows if that rule really applies. Besides, if that girl starts having sexual relations with a 55 year old man on her 12th birthday... You know...

[Void]

Originally Posted by BOILER

This is allowed in Islam.
I don't know what the hell are you arguing about.

Fi matal kteer 7elo in arabic, im not gonna say now, but ra7 ellak :

Ya raytak.... ma 7keet ...

[BOILER]

Originally Posted by dodzi

Having sex with a minor girl isn't. Marriage is something else and related to culture! In the Arab world and elsewhere, many children get married before adulthood. In principle, they are only allowed to have sex once they get their periods. But who knows if that rule really applies. Besides, if that girl starts having sexual relations with a 55 year old man on her 12th birthday... You know...

dodzi, kil wa7ad 3a dino allah y3ino.
It's something I always say to myself.
You have to respect others' beliefs and habits, just like you want others to respect your beliefs.
Isn't it true that profit Mohammad married a 9 years old girl?
As you said, as long as they get their periods.
Would you find it normal if this girl was married to a 20 years old guy?

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by Aroma

beware dude,who told you he's a saudi?

He fell in Ousman's trap :D.

Originally Posted by BOILER

dodzi, kil wa7ad 3a dino allah y3ino.
It's something I always say to myself.
You have to respect others' beliefs and habits, just like you want others to respect your beliefs.
Isn't it true that profit Mohammad married a 9 years old girl?
As you said, as long as they get their periods.
Would you find it normal if this girl was married to a 20 years old guy?

Who married at an older age back then? With all that's attributed to her, her age is arguable, many believe she was 11. According to Islam marriage without full consent is "batel". Ali was 11 when he fought in battles. They were mature, that's why "l-2iltizem lshar3e" is 9 for a girl. Nowadays, we're babies at that age, so you have many scholars who argue that puberty is the time.

If this is what Islam is (since you seem to think these acts are normal to us), why are we against them?

[coralie]

Originally Posted by Ana

for all of you b*tching and moaning about an 8 year old.... here's article about the "good" products of your society:

ارقُصوا أيّها اللبنانيّون
خالد صاغية
ماذا نفعل نحن اللبنانيّين بأنفسنا، وكيف ننظر إلى سائر البشر؟ بأيّ عين، بأيّ قلب؟
يشير تقرير «هيومن رايتس ووتش» إلى أنّ أكثر من عاملة منزل أجنبيّة تموت أسبوعيّاً في لبنان. منهنّ من انتحرن من دون شك، ومنهنّ من سقطن من الأدوار المرتفعة في محاولاتٍ للهرب من سوء معاملة المستخدِمين، ومنهنّ من قضين تحت الضرب المبرّح، ومنهنّ من عانينَ أمراضاً لم يفترض أحد نفسه معنيّاً بمعالجتها... هذه هي صورتنا في المرآة. فانظروا إليها جيّداً.
العاملات يفضّلن الموت على الحياة داخل البيت اللبناني، ذاك البيت الذي يتحدّث عن حسن الضيافة، وصبحيّات القهوة، و... حبّ الحياة أحياناً.
يتحدّث التقرير عن عاملات المنازل، فلا يضيف إليهنّ الجرائم بحقّ العمّال الأجانب عامةً، والعمّال السوريّين خاصة. لكنّ الجميع يعرف أنّ الأعوام الثلاثة السابقة كانت مليئة بـ«أحداث» ضدّ تجمّعات للعمّال السوريّين. فإذا أضفنا إلى تقرير «هيومن رايتس ووتش» تقريراً آخر عن حال العمّال السوريّين في لبنان، تصبح صورة العمالة الأجنبية في لبنان أكثر اسوداداً.
لقد أعدّت «الجمعية الأهليّة للمفقودين في لبنان» ملفات أحصت فيها 870 حالة من المفقودين السوريّين في لبنان، منهم من فقدوا بعد خروج الجيش السوري من بلاد الأرز، إثر عمليات ضدّ العمّال السوريين في أكثر من منطقة لبنانية. الملفّات هذه أقلّ صدقيّة من دون شك من تقرير «هيومن رايتس ووتش». لكنّها تشير أيضاً إلى اتّجاهات خطيرة في مجتمعنا. فإذا كان ثمّة في سوريا من يماطل في قضية المفقودين اللبنانيّين في سوريا، ويطرح قضية المفقودين السوريين في لبنان للمقايضة ربّما، فإنّ ما يحدث عندنا أشدّ خطورة. ذلك أنّ المجتمع اللبناني، لا النظام، هو من قام بأعمال جرميّة بحقّ العمّال السوريّين، والمجتمع اللبناني، لا النظام، هو من يحاول التملّص من هذه القضيّة.
هذه هي صورتنا في المرآة. فانظروا إليها جيّداً. العاملات يرمين أنفسهنّ من على شرفات المنازل. ارقصوا أيّها اللبنانيّون فوق جثثهنّ الطاهرة.
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Instead of worrying about other people's societies and ways of life.... why don't you worry about your own?

this is totaly off topic and if you want to debate this issue feel free to do it here Ill-treatment of humans, our employees . you will see that we do not applaude for inhumanity under any circumstances we do worry and we do talk about it , seems that you dont pay attention . just have a look aroung this forum in the lounge and other sections and you will notice we often "worry" about our own world but this is not an excuse to be blind when inhumanity and wrong doing happen around us in the world .


i dont understand why you are trying so hard to drift the topic ? what was reported in this story is WRONG and INHUMAN . we all know the world is far from being perfect , there is the wrong everywhere but some stories goes beyond OUR humanity . the thread is talking about a specific story point a la ligne .

ba3dein you attack a member who happen to have a different opinion on a personal level using this to cover your weak argument . again and again i was debating on a specific topic you drifted and start insulting me why ?( shallow , inexperienced , frustrated ... and the edited part of your post it must have been realy bad to be edited, personal attack huh ?) did i insult you at any time in any of my posts ?? NO i was just giving my personal opinion about a specific topic , you disagree fine dont insult me , argue but no need for this low level vocab ma bada hal2ad 3eib . is this A culture ?

have a break and check this

culture >>> Selling his wife...

culture >>>> Un père vient de vendre sa fille en Afghanistan// A dad selling his daughter

maybe you would be intrested to check the woman's right threads bi tari2ak yes there is more then one and kids rights it was many times a center of debates in this forum .