Saudi Arabian girl, 8 years old , seeks divorce

[Dalzi]

Franky, those who marry at a sexually immature age, which is bizarre, are brought up to believe that it's the right thing to do. Unfortunately, they're living back in time whereby they can't even see that at that age a girl is not mature enough for marriage. In any case, it remains a matter of personal rights (if we can put it that way) as long as the baby getting married is fully aware of what she's doing, which i doubt. Then again, you'd say, it's probably very normal to them considering that it's natural to marry without seeing the person lol. 2enta w 7azzak, depends on your mother's taste . So, what some would consider crucial becomes trivial according to such cultures. They truly need to reform their judicial system (which brings to mind the all famous "Hay2at l'2amr bilma3rouf wal nahi 3an l'munkar" ) and realize that not only our bodies have changed, but our brains too. It was very natural for women to have children by eleven and twelve "long" ago, but it's not natural now. Men went to war at that age too, imagine an 11 year old going to war now . Unfortunately, they haven't realized the differences yet. Allah yehde ljamee3.

Originally Posted by lady_forever

I am not interfering in their beliefs nor ever would ... or force them to do what i believe is right cause those people can't be understood ..how they think and behave though ... but i know deep in mind they are wrong...and if they think well in heart and mind and a big IF then they will know that kids have the right to live their childhood..and i don't think kids in their country are different or don't play with dolls then what do they do in their free time..be wives to elder men???..concerning what the Americans did i am not with it either..but i don't think they were there to civilize and help people they invaded the country for different reasons..they never do anything to help but for their own benifits

You should've left the term "civilized" out when referring to what the American's can offer when it comes to these issues. It's kind of funny .

[Mar1K]

Originally Posted by Osman's Shirt

Salam,

Many similar and more things happen in Western societies.

اعذرني و لكن...: ؤ

اثرت قرفي
اشعلت غضبي
استفزيت اشمئزازي

اعذرني

اعذرني اذا فقدت رشدي و صوابي عندما قرأت تبريرك لهذه الجريمة
اعذرني ان تلفظت بشيء عندما رأيت عبارتك المهينة
اعذرني ان كان سلامك ثقيل علي

ثماني سنوات.... اي حب ؟؟؟ اي دراية ؟؟؟ اي علم؟؟؟ اي اثارة تملك بنت الثماني؟؟؟
بأي حق تبرر ؟؟؟ المجتمع الغربي فاسد و كلنا يعلم و لكن هل هاذا سبب لكي ندخل هكذا تصرفات الى مجتمعنا ؟؟؟

بارك لله بك و بالسعودية اذا كانت هذه عاداتكم

[Frisbeetarian]

I am really fed up to hear such hippy attitude in serious matters like this. I hope you do realize raping a 8 year old little girl is somehow not the same category as worshipping a pepsi bottle.
There can and shall be cultural differences, but we shall not accept the violation of basic human rights. And these human rights are universal, as long as we all belong to the human race. You agree that saudis are humans too?

Nobody was talking about invasion, but I repeat again we are not living the age of splended isolation. We have international media you know, thats why we can raise our concerns about this issue now, on this forum. And I am sure many human rights activists are doing the same on other platforms.
So if a b_stard pedophile next time decides to rape a 8 year old little girl in the desert, his case wont go unnoticed anymore. Thanks God humans reached that level when they can condemn such an act collectively, worldwide.
Your outdated hippy attitude wont change anything.

Ok so let get this straight. Ur not talking about invading other countries in order to force them into believing what u believe. But u call for universal human rights no matter what. Care to explain who u would accomplish that?

Its funny, u speak as most of the worlds people know how to use a cell phone, or a computer, that everyone puts a condom for protection, or uses microwave ovens. News my friend, ur modern "civilized" nations are the minority in terms of quantity. The term universal human rights is so freacking funny, since it originated from western countries, and know u want that label to stick to every human being on the planet. While the western countries enjoy their fancy caviar and wines, people in africa are starving from hunger because of decades of colonization and the abduction of their natural resources. And u want to come here and explain why ur morals are more prestene than theirs, that the morals instilled in a capitalist regime is "f*ck the other before he f*cks you*? they will tell u one thing my friend

This act of marrying children is far more reaching than u think. It is still practiced in the worlds most populated nations and areas; india, china and africa. So before ranting about reform in these countries, just think how much ur living off the back of that poor african man slavering all day to extract the minerals required to build ur expensive mobile phone for 0.50$/hour.

The nerve.

[Aroma]

Originally Posted by Mar1K

بارك لله بك و بالسعودية اذا كانت هذه عاداتكم[/right]

beware dude,who told you he's a saudi?

[dodzi]

Originally Posted by friendofzeus

Ok so let get this straight. Ur not talking about invading other countries in order to force them into believing what u believe. But u call for universal human rights no matter what. Care to explain who u would accomplish that?

Its funny, u speak as most of the worlds people know how to use a cell phone, or a computer, that everyone puts a condom for protection, or uses microwave ovens. News my friend, ur modern "civilized" nations are the minority in terms of quantity. The term universal human rights is so freacking funny, since it originated from western countries, and know u want that label to stick to every human being on the planet. While the western countries enjoy their fancy caviar and wines, people in africa are starving from hunger because of decades of colonization and the abduction of their natural resources. And u want to come here and explain why ur morals are more prestene than theirs, that the morals instilled in a capitalist regime is "f*ck the other before he f*cks you*? they will tell u one thing my friend

This act of marrying children is far more reaching than u think. It is still practiced in the worlds most populated nations and areas; india, china and africa. So before ranting about reform in these countries, just think how much ur living off the back of that poor african man slavering all day to extract the minerals required to build ur expensive mobile phone for 0.50$/hour.

The nerve.

Dude, there are many threads open if you would like to talk about something besides child marriage. And if no thread to your liking exists, then just go open one to talk about anything you like (poverty in Africa, the decay of western cultures, colonization, civilization, etc.).

Here we're adressing the issue of an 8 year old girl supposed to marry a 50 year old dude! If you think there's a moral relativism that can be applied here, just show your true colors, don't start talking about Abkhazia and South Ossetia okay?

[Frisbeetarian]

Dude, there are many threads open if you would like to talk about something besides child marriage. And if no thread to your liking exists, then just go open one to talk about anything you like (poverty in Africa, the decay of western cultures, colonization, civilization, etc.).

Here we're adressing the issue of an 8 year old girl supposed to marry a 50 year old dude! If you think there's a moral relativism that can be applied here, just show your true colors, don't start talking about Abkhazia and South Ossetia okay?

We are addressing the issue of the 8 year old girl, and with it comes the right to interfere with said affairs. I believe its not, and demonstrated it through examples given while explaining the rather faltitude of such engagement when ur own societies are rippled with decay and corruption. Its rather pointless to object to such an action *the rape of an 8 year old girl* while abusing said countries resources. Its a game of double standards, u impoverish people but want them to act civilized and comply to ur will? Wtf.

Now, i know that said matter has occurred in Saudi Arabia, a nation that is rather prosperous and advancing rapidly. So the question rises again: what can u do when u offer ur better alternative and they choose no to accept it? Force them into submission?

[dodzi]

Originally Posted by friendofzeus

We are addressing the issue of the 8 year old girl, and with it comes the right to interfere with said affairs. I believe its not, and demonstrated it through examples given while explaining the rather faltitude of such engagement when ur own societies are rippled with decay and corruption. Its rather pointless to object to such an action *the rape of an 8 year old girl* while abusing said countries resources. Its a game of double standards, u impoverish people but want them to act civilized and comply to ur will? Wtf.

Now, i know that said matter has occurred in Saudi Arabia, a nation that is rather prosperous and advancing rapidly. So the question rises again: what can u do when u offer ur better alternative and they choose no to accept it? Force them into submission?

Who talked about forcing anything? I'm, we're saying it is wrong, disgusting, backward!

And when you talk about "exploiting" resources, please give us some examples! As far as I'm concerned, the days of colonization are gone and over with! If you want to talk about the old days fine. But today, the only exploitation of people is done by locals. Western industries in 3rd world countries are much more ethical than local ones. When people talk about Nike's case of child labor, they forget that it was in the past, and it was done not by Nike itself, but by companies employed by Nike!

Today, Nike is the most ethical company in the world. Not only does it not exploit people, employ children, but it also offers education to the children of the communities it employs!

So stop it with the west and its values! The west has more values than the rest of the world! If people are backward in the west, if men are low lives drunken bastards, if women are dirty sluts, it is their own choice, nobody forced them into anything!

The idea is that the biggest of all individual rights, the most important value of all, is freedom of expression! And that 8 year old girl did not get her right to decide, it was imposed on her! Talk about all the moral relativism that you want, you know in your heart that it is wrong, disgusting and should be condemned!

[Frisbeetarian]

Who talked about forcing anything? I'm, we're saying it is wrong, disgusting, backward!

And when you talk about "exploiting" resources, please give us some examples! As far as I'm concerned, the days of colonization are gone and over with! If you want to talk about the old days fine. But today, the only exploitation of people is done by locals. Western industries in 3rd world countries are much more ethical than local ones. When people talk about Nike's case of child labor, they forget that it was in the past, and it was done not by Nike itself, but by companies employed by Nike!

Today, Nike is the most ethical company in the world. Not only does it not exploit people, employ children, but it also offers education to the children of the communities it employs!

So stop it with the west and its values! The west has more values than the rest of the world! If people are backward in the west, if men are low lives drunken bastards, if women are dirty sluts, it is their own choice, nobody forced them into anything!

The idea is that the biggest of all individual rights, the most important value of all, is freedom of expression! And that 8 year old girl did not get her right to decide, it was imposed on her! Talk about all the moral relativism that you want, you know in your heart that it is wrong, disgusting and should be condemned!

Wtf dude why do u choose what to read? Where did i state that im with that girl getting married?? Did i not say that i think it is wrong?

And yes i also think that it is disgusting and vile, but some people are going about sounding they are going to launch a crusade of some sorts. Its that kind of behavior that ticked me off.

And when you talk about "exploiting" resources, please give us some examples! As far as I'm concerned, the days of colonization are gone and over with! If you want to talk about the old days fine. But today, the only exploitation of people is done by locals. Western industries in 3rd world countries are much more ethical than local ones. When people talk about Nike's case of child labor, they forget that it was in the past, and it was done not by Nike itself, but by companies employed by Nike!

The exploitation is not only done in regards to said countries natural ressources, it would be naive to even absorb that thought. Arms trade. Sorry but i cant be any
clearer. You need further clarification on the issue, do what i did. Read.

So stop it with the west and its values! The west has more values than the rest of the world! If people are backward in the west, if men are low lives drunken bastards, if women are dirty sluts, it is their own choice, nobody forced them into anything!

If it makes u feel okay to believe that, than fine.

The idea is that the biggest of all individual rights, the most important value of all, is freedom of expression! And that 8 year old girl did not get her right to decide, it was imposed on her! Talk about all the moral relativism that you want, you know in your heart that it is wrong, disgusting and should be condemned!

And also i agree that it should be condemned, but that as far as it goes concerning anyones right to meddle in the issue;.

[dodzi]

Originally Posted by friendofzeus

The exploitation is not only done in regards to said countries natural ressources, it would be naive to even absorb that thought. Arms trade. Sorry but i cant be any
clearer. You need further clarification on the issue, do what i did. Read.

Arms trade, I agree with that. I wanted to say yeah there are some things that are done wrong by the west, but as far as I'm concerned, the west is ethically and morally more advanced than the rest of the world!

Arms trade are done by governments, not by "the people". Arms trade is usually either secretive, or highly controversial! I wonder how controversial rape is in KSA! Usually it is highly controversial, but then, it is the victim who gets jailed... or stoned!

The truth is, the west does not have that much power over the rest of the world as it did in the beginning of the century. If exploitation exists, 1) it is done by individuals, and it is not culturally integrated in people's morals, 2) it is done more greatly by locals than by western foreigners, 3) if it is done by foreigners, it is also done in collaboration with local authorities, communities or individuals, and usually, also with the agreement of the people who are getting exploited (unless you are talking about forced labor which is a different thing).

In any case, the unethical behavior done in the west is never something that is culturally accepted! Just give me one example of unethical behavior in the west, that is culturally accepted, and I let's argue about that. Don't do generalizations, because it is impossible to argue with that!

[Ana]

Originally Posted by friendofzues

Wtf dude why do u choose what to read? Where did i state that im with that girl getting married?? Did i not say that i think it is wrong?

And yes i also think that it is disgusting and vile, but some people are going about sounding they are going to launch a crusade of some sorts. Its that kind of behavior that ticked me off.

That's a common problem my friend, the devil's advocate becomes the devil.

I think the proper comparison between this subject is with the subject of abortion in the west and the "pro-choice" crowd.