Saudi Arabian girl, 8 years old , seeks divorce

[coralie]

Originally Posted by Ana

This is not about any personal thing.... this is culture vs. culture.... not you vs. culture....

You might have lived in a culture where people expected of you at the age of 16 to be still playing with dolls whereas some other culture at the age of 14 (I've seen it in the US with my own 2 eyes) girls get pregnant (without being married by the way!).... I've also seen a 12 year old girl high on drugs(in the modern & civilized USA!)

As for the bolded part of your post... you have a point I can't argue against because it doesn't make sense... which reason are you talking about?

being on drugs is not right you know it i know it every one knows it but here also your comparison is irrelevent , the parents did nt give the drug to the 12 year kid they did not sell it to the kid did not oblige him/her to take it , it might be due to diferent reasons bad friends or what ever .
playing with dolls at 14 is not a crime nor a violent act ,
girls get pregnent without being married eh w wein machkaltak if they did it with full concent ? leave people living in peace ma heik ?

modern world is not perfect but to compare all the above to selling (marrying) your 8 year old daughter to a man 5 time her age is evil .

i dont understand how you can deffend such acts .

[Ana]

Originally Posted by Anny

You might have seen young girls get high on drugs or are pregnant at a young age but its mostly by their choice and not by obligation. That makes a huge difference. Between, its not well seen in the western world that a child get high on drugs or get pregnant. It is well seen in Saudie Arabia that a 8 years old get married to a man, thats another difference.

For the bolded part , the reason is : there is no good excuse to be a pervert, even if men try to fit it in a culture of a country: that is what I meant. from age 0 to 12, the world has considered that phase as a child, from 13 to 19, teenager and from 20 and over, an adult.

Bolded part still doesn't make sense.... what does marriage have to do with perverts?

As for the first part... apparently you haven't lived in the West and what you get is only what you see on TV....

[Anny]

Originally Posted by Ana

Bolded part still doesn't make sense.... what does marriage have to do with perverts?

As for the first part... apparently you haven't lived in the West and what you get is only what you see on TV....

I live in Canada since I am 6 years old... It seems that you only want to see what you want to see. Couldn't you see the flag behind my name?

For the pervert part, do you have a daughter? If yes, how do you find it if she had to get married to a man who is 50 years old when she is 8? If you dont see it as a problem, I am stoping right there arguying with you.

[coralie]

Originally Posted by Ana

Hehe.... and your point is? Didn't I raise the point that the girl was still at her parent's house? i.e. she's not having any sexual activity with the man?? You need to read more about those types cultures.... but to tell you about it in a nutshell... the father decides on a husband for the girl when she's 6,7 or 8 and she gets married (usually the boy is somewhere from 14 to 20 yrs of age)... the girl only moves in with her husband around ages of 12 to 15....

I think that, as a culture, it is far better than a culture that tolerates someone being single at 25 with 4 kids from 3 different fathers. none of which was a husband.... all the (extreme) examples I gave about the 14 yr old, the 12 yr old and the 25 yr old are things I've witnessed first hand.

selling his own daughter as if she was a thing is wrong WRONG WRONG she is a human been with feelings she has the right to grow normaly and be given a say in this matter . when this girl will be 14 or 15 this man will be in his sixties imagine the relation between them . bala culture bala ballout

Originally Posted by Ana

.I think that, as a culture, it is far better than a culture that tolerates someone being single at 25 with 4 kids from 3 different fathers. none of which was a husband.... all the (extreme) examples I gave about the 14 yr old, the 12 yr old and the 25 yr old are things I've witnessed first hand.

this is your personal opinion you are intitled to it . but i disagree .

a 25 single with 4 kids from diffrent fathers was free to make her decision . do you think the 8 year old girl will be a better mom ? or just a slave ,a body used by this old man for his pleasure making out of this body nothing but a procreating machine nothing more nothing less .

the rest of your exemples are irrelevent .

[Ana]

Originally Posted by coralie

being on drugs is not right you know it i know it every one knows it but here also your comparison is irrelevent , the parents did nt give the drug to the 12 year kid they did not sell it to the kid did not oblige him/her to take it , it might be due to diferent reasons bad friends or what ever .
playing with dolls at 14 is not a crime nor a violent act ,
girls get pregnent without being married eh w wein machkaltak if they did it with full concent ? leave people living in peace ma heik ?

modern world is not perfect but to compare all the above to selling (marrying) your 8 year old daughter to a man 5 time her age is evil .

i dont understand how you can deffend such acts .

Marriage is a violent act? Up until today, there are parents who force their "adult" daughters to marry even within your own culture (i'm assuming Lebanese!).... You're confused as to what you want to attack... Would it be ok if the girl agreed to marrying the 50 year old guy or Would it be ok if the guy was 14?

As for girls getting pregnant without being married, personally, I have a problem with it even if the girl is OLD enough as you mention.... there reason I put it though is not personal, it was a mere attempt from me to show you the contrast of cultures.

Here's what you're not getting still... it's not my personal opinion that it's ok to have girls married at the age of 8.... but if it's ok for other cultures, it's not my job to judge....also, it's not ok for me to see a girl pregnant at the age of 14... but other cultures tolerate it (and it's becoming a culture by itself).... My job is not to judge them or point fingers... guess what, they might very well be pointing fingers at my culture as I guarantee you it's not perfect either!

The world is not perfect? back to judging! The only way the world be perfect is if it completely agrees with what you think ?

[coralie]

Originally Posted by Anny

I live in Canada since I am 6 years old... It seems that you only want to see what you want to see. Couldn't you see the flag behind my name?

For the pervert part, do you have a daughter? If yes, how do you find it if she had to get married to a man who is 50 years old when she is 8? If you dont see it as a problem, I am stoping right there arguying with you.

could nt say it better thank you i will rest my case as well !

[coralie]

Originally Posted by Ana

Marriage is a violent act? Up until today, there are parents who force their "adult" daughters to marry even within your own culture (i'm assuming Lebanese!).... You're confused as to what you want to attack... Would it be ok if the girl agreed to marrying the 50 year old guy or Would it be ok if the guy was 14?

As for girls getting pregnant without being married, personally, I have a problem with it even if the girl is OLD enough as you mention.... there reason I put it though is not personal, it was a mere attempt from me to show you the contrast of cultures.

Here's what you're not getting still... it's not my personal opinion that it's ok to have girls married at the age of 8.... but if it's ok for other cultures, it's not my job to judge....also, it's not ok for me to see a girl pregnant at the age of 14... but other cultures tolerate it (and it's becoming a culture by itself).... My job is not to judge them or point fingers... guess what, they might very well be pointing fingers at my culture as I guarantee you it's not perfect either!

The world is not perfect? back to judging! The only way the world be perfect is if it completely agrees with what you think ?

any marriage under pressure is wrong , marrying a 8 year old girl to an 50 year old man is EVIL disgusting sick dirty and inhuman . point a la ligne .
no i would not find it right even if the boy was 14 , marriage is not a game .

kel hayda and you are not judging ? LOL...

[Ana]

Originally Posted by coralie

selling his own daughter as if she was a thing is wrong WRONG WRONG she is a human been with feelings she has the right to grow normaly and be given a say in this matter . when this girl will be 14 or 15 this man will be in his sixties imagine the relation between them . bala culture bala ballout



this is your personal opinion you are intitled to it . but i disagree .

a 25 single with 4 kids from diffrent fathers was free to make her decision . do you think the 8 year old girl will be a better mom ? or just a slave ,a body used by this old man for his pleasure making out of this body nothing but a procreating machine nothing more nothing less .

the rest of your exemples are irrelevent .

There's a world outside and different than what you experience within your own family.... while you might require some kind of intimate (not sexual) relationship with your mate, it is possible that other girls raised to other values might not require it and it's ok for them to be just a procreating machine! If you think it's not up to their fathers to decide, It's not up to you to decide for them either!

[Xena]

the guy is only telling you that if it's ok with the saudi culture then who are we to say it's wrong! let them deal with their own culture! regardless of whether we think it's right or wrong!

Besides, it's the saudis, i'm not shocked at all!
add to that it's not something impossible to happen in our region, my grandmother got married when she was 11.. to my grandfather who was 32.. so.. it happens, and back then (in the 1920s) it was perfectly fine! .. after all, age is just a number

[Ana]

Originally Posted by coralie

could nt say it better thank you i will rest my case as well !

Again.... I'm not speaking from personal values..... I do share your values but I DARE to think outside the box......