MEN! what r u thinking??!!

[shadow1]

Originally Posted by coralie

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL... and the spell was broken !!!
[why did have to lie in the first place ?[

Oh no! Dont get me wrong, I was so madly in love I thought it was the case, only later on I noticed how blind I had been all along. Essentially I was lying to myself not to her.

could nt you be just honest , and tell her the truth in a nice way maybe it would have helped more the poor woman to pay attention and tzabit what was wrong .

I thought I was being honest and by the time I started to notice things as they really were and not as they ought to have been , it was too late and only a miracle could have helped her tzabit 7ala.

poor woman you were misleading her and Leured her into believing she was pretty , elegant , nice ...

I dont think you should have to take her side. She knew all along she wasn't pretty , elegant or nice. It was I who didnt.

and as she trusted you she blindly believed you LOL

Like I said she knew the truth all along so she couldnt have possibly trusted me when she knew I was lying. She was only just happy to let me believe my own lies. When I finally awakened to the bare truth, she moved on.

[Red Phoenix]

Originally Posted by coralie

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL... and the spell was broken !!!

why did have to lie in the first place ? could nt you be just honest , and tell her the truth in a nice way maybe it would have helped more the poor woman to pay attention and tzabit what was wrong .
poor woman you were misleading her and Leured her into believing she was pretty , elegant , nice and as she trusted you she blindly believed you LOL...

if all guys were honest with girls not a single one of us would get a date, let alone a relationship or marriage.

[Salome]

Originally Posted by Red Phoenix

if all guys were honest with girls not a single one of us would get a date, let alone a relationship or marriage.

Well you can be sure with such attitude you can forget about serious relationships.

Liars are uncovered sooner or later, but I believe everybody finds the partner one deserves.

[Frisbeetarian]

I mean c'mon, girls need to learn how to let things go and forgive. No matter how "great" a guy is, he is going to say something stupid and hurtful eventually, without thinking before speaking. It is inevitable. Does it really deserve such a grudge?

Talk about saying something stupid without thinking.....ive had my share. And as you said she really didnt forget it, even though i apologized for a gazillion times.

I cant really say anything about relationships as of this moment, because the girls in my university are so f**cken stuck up you wouldnt believe. You would have to be a gazillionair or adonis from them to even take a look at ya. Quite stuck in rut.

*end of rant*

Anywho, yeah women and men differ, live with it .

[Red Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Salome

Well you can be sure with such attitude you can forget about serious relationships.

Liars are uncovered sooner or later, but I believe everybody finds the partner one deserves.

u'r too idealistic salome, to judge by ur tone, i'd even say u believe in finding true poetic love somewhere.
so i can say to u in return also "you can forget about serious relationships" that are in effect pragmatic.

it's not about lying, girls lie their souls off in relationships also, and mainly they lie to themselves hehe

but that's not the bad issue u think it is.

[Red Phoenix]

Originally Posted by friendofzeus

Talk about saying something stupid without thinking.....ive had my share. And as you said she really didnt forget it, even though i apologized for a gazillion times.

I cant really say anything about relationships as of this moment, because the girls in my university are so f**cken stuck up you wouldnt believe. You would have to be a gazillionair or adonis from them to even take a look at ya. Quite stuck in rut.

*end of rant*

Anywho, yeah women and men differ, live with it .

exactly hehe

on a different note, not all girls are princesses but try telling them that..

[Salome]

Originally Posted by Red Phoenix

u'r too idealistic salome, to judge by ur tone, i'd even say u believe in finding true poetic love somewhere.
so i can say to u in return also "you can forget about serious relationships" that are in effect pragmatic.

it's not about lying, girls lie their souls off in relationships also, and mainly they lie to themselves hehe

but that's not the bad issue u think it is.

Whats wrong with being idealistic?
I lived my life with principles, even if I have hard times sometime, I am not gonna change this.

I just need to look around for confirmation that everybody gets what they deserve, if you lie, you will not get honesty in return, and you can never expect your partner to be true...

[Red Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Salome

Whats wrong with being idealistic?
I lived my life with principles, even if I have hard times sometime, I am not gonna change this.

I just need to look around for confirmation that everybody gets what they deserve, if you lie, you will not get honesty in return, and you can never expect your partner to be true...

nothing is wrong with being idealistic, just as long as u don't expect everybody to share these notions with u.

i don't judge others based on my personal notions of great ideals, i'm more pragmatic and honest with myself b4 being honest with others.

for me idealism usually is just a stone throw away from fanatism and fascism and all of humanity's more colorful aspects hehe

but that's just me.

humanity as a whole is built on a historic stack of white and black lies, so are relationships, that's not a big deal for me and that's not even debatable really.

the only thing that is debatable is the acceptable shared limits of this inside a relationship.

women have many weird things that men put up with and vice versa, this is normal, but at least men don't claim the high ground of being a special princesses.

in the recent past, men claimed the high moral ground of great ‘manhood’.
but this is gone now, now we are just stuck with women nagging if u pardon my french.

men just care about their woman/women, while women just care about trivial incomprehensible things in the eyes of their simple male partners.

i don't know the other side of the story, i'm not a women.

but i can assume that both genders are a bit crazy, although naturally i will relate more to my gender.

there is nothing wrong with males, there is something wrong with everybody but it's not critical. we just need to get used to it and try to get along and ease the tension.
that is what good sex is for apart from making noisy babies.

[Salome]

Being an idealist, it is just normal to expect others to live up to the standard as well:D
I like to think people would have the same standard, but of course it is not true. But still, one chooses the people and friends around them, right?

Maybe I was just lucky enough to meet prince charming, with whom the honesty is working in both ways, and there is a rarely seen trust between us.

But I have to add, I am not the only "exception", I know many other, so I wonder if its an exception anyway...

Originally Posted by Red Phoenix

for me idealism usually is just a stone throw away from fanatism and fascism and all of humanity's more colorful aspects hehe

Depends on what kind of ideas, of course. Certainly the element aspiring for radical change in the society is there. I have some ideas, or aspirations, which indeed would re-shape the face of humanity. (if given the proper resources and people:p)

humanity as a whole is built on a historic stack of white and black lies, so are relationships, that's not a big deal for me and that's not even debatable really.

So why some guys (or girls) are whining here about what they got? What did they do about it in first place to deserve better? If the aspiration is good sex only, dont await honest, decent fairies in return. Because all what you might get only is good sex. Did you ever give anything more than that, anyway?

women have many weird things that men put up with and vice versa, this is normal, but at least men don't claim the high ground of being a special princesses.

Who cares about some spoiled women who think they are princesses? Its your fault if you waste your time on them.

that is what good sex is for apart from making noisy babies.

and this is the shallow part of the story, but I realize not everybody is so "lucky" to experience more than this in life.

[Red Phoenix]

Being an idealist, it is just normal to expect others to live up to the standard as well:D

hehe, my point exactly, yet u are proud of saying it hehe

I like to think people would have the same standard, but of course it is not true. But still, one chooses the people and friends around them, right?

ya, but here we ain’t friends, we are strangers sharing.

Maybe I was just lucky enough to meet prince charming, with whom the honesty is working in both ways, and there is a rarely seen trust between us.

i'm truly happy for ur bliss hehe

But I have to add, I am not the only "exception", I know many other, so I wonder if its an exception anyway...

i will not argue about the nb of exceptions here, it's a matter of perception for u.
really subjective perception. I will be nice and give u the benefit of the doubt that u are not getting duped because it’s really none of my business, so why should I preach u about it hehe

Depends on what kind of ideas, of course. Certainly the element aspiring for radical change in the society is there. I have some ideas, or aspirations, which indeed would re-shape the face of humanity. (if given the proper resources and people:p)

great, but all this is just a bit too epic for the normal theme of male-female relationships.

So why some guys (or girls) are whining here about what they got? What did they do about it in first place to deserve better? If the aspiration is good sex only, dont await honest, decent fairies in return. Because all what you might get only is good sex. Did you ever give anything more than that, anyway?

good sex and good relationship go hand in hand, they don't annul each other. not everybody is platonic who looks down on sex and wants to marry his sister and vice versa.

Who cares about some spoiled women who think they are princesses? Its your fault if you waste your time on them.

u assume too much by ur oversimplification. i'm not wasting my time, and there is no exclusive 'spoiled blonde chick group' as u imagine, it's a much bigger circle, u'll be surprise if u dared to think about it.

and this is the shallow part of the story, but I realize not everybody is so "lucky" to experience more than this in life.

wow, hehe, good for u, i don't know what u think u are experiencing but i'm happy u think it is.
but as i said, ur idealism for happiness doesn't automatically translate a success story for other ppl hehe

but idealists ever like to generalize :)

now, were is my swastika !

hehe