If devil had a face it will look like this :mad:

[Faithful]

Since i heard about this story yesterday on CNN .... i couldn't stop thinking about this daughter and her children and how much they suffered from this Animal .....W sorry 3ala kilmit Animal bkoun 3am hinoun lal 7ayawenet iza chabbahto fiyoun .... because animals are much much better than this creature. ...... If they let me see him for only 5 minutes .... i swear w bi kil damir mirte7 .... bo2ta3lo nasslo

[False Morel]

Originally Posted by fetikelmetssalet

And what in your opinion can be the causes?? I still can"t imagine any reason or cause to do such a horrible thing....

i meant the psychological aspect of the story. i know that this has actually gone beyond any perversion!
ya3ne what would i be interested in reading is a report from a psychologist on this man's case.

[Dalzi]

I think she's as naive as her mother. Two idiots stuck with a criminal.

[Salome]

Originally Posted by Jorje

it's a truly horrific story. His daughter has not seen daylight from more than 20 years, and the same goes for her son and daughter. It's still hard to understand how his wife didn't notice anything. He did put them in a soundproof basement, and had an electronic door with a specific code only he knows.

It is said he could have not done it alone, so he has partners in crime. Also its hard to believe the wife had no idea about whats going on. Maybe if she is mentally retarded, but about that I dont have infos.

Anyway a sick system produces sick people.

[General my General!]

Ah waw! couple of posts just on her age!lol!

Totally disgusting case, but yeah, it just goes to show that evil can hide anywhere, even in your own home. I feel incredibly sorry for the daughter and children, to have had to put up with a monster like him all this long!!! And no, how can we call her an idiot? Did anyone ever stop to think how vicitmized physically and psychologically the woman was? Did you know that the cellar had a secret door and code? ...imagine something happening to the b***** father while he was on the outside, or even inside for that matter....the woman and her kids would have starved to death!!!!!!!!!

Imagine what a monster would risk that. It ain't the system, it ain't the neighbours, it's the animal that locked them up.

I believe all homes in all countries should be inspected on a regular basis...once every year or two...just in case. That won't mean all such cases would be caught. But it's a start.

[Salome]

Originally Posted by General my General!

Imagine what a monster would risk that. It ain't the system, it ain't the neighbours, it's the animal that locked them up

Noone debates his responsibility here. But he needed oustide help, he just cant go unnoticed while building that secure door. Not in front of the wife, not in front of neighbours or other people involved.

And yes the system is sick, as it harbours such idiots and criminals, its called a socialist welfare system. You know where you get paid if you dont work, and you can travel to Ibiza from that sum, and all this from the hardworking tax payers money.

I believe all homes in all countries should be inspected on a regular basis...once every year or two...just in case. That won't mean all such cases would be caught. But it's a start.

Are you suggesting now to violate personal freedom and privacy of the people? Sounds like a police state. You want to treat the symptoms and not the causes?

[General my General!]

Originally Posted by Salome

Noone debates his responsibility here. But he needed oustide help, he just cant go unnoticed while building that secure door. Not in front of the wife, not in front of neighbours or other people involved.

And yes the system is sick, as it harbours such idiots and criminals, its called a socialist welfare system. You know where you get paid if you dont work, and you can travel to Ibiza from that sum, and all this from the hardworking tax payers money.

Did you know that construction inspectors visited the site after the extension to the cellar was made 1y before he imprisoned his daughter?...they found everything normal. Now regards to the door, I doubt it was that complicated to arrange..who knows...a handyman here, another there, and voila!

As to wife and neighbours, I agree it is strange that they didn't notice anything, but building such facilities is not exactly unusual in Europe. So what is strange is not that he managed to build it, but that nobody bothered to know where he kept disappearing to...especially his wife.

About the system, I am sure we'd find just as bad cases in each and every country in the world, some far worse than others, starting in our region.

Are you suggesting now to violate personal freedom and privacy of the people? Sounds like a police state. You want to treat the symptoms and not the causes?

If a state inspector visits your house once every 1 or 2y I doubt that cries of violating personal freedoms. It is as simple as having it inspected for any potential construction violation.

cheers

[fetikelmetssalet]

Originally Posted by General my General!

Did you know that construction inspectors visited the site after the extension to the cellar was made 1y before he imprisoned his daughter?...they found everything normal. Now regards to the door, I doubt it was that complicated to arrange..who knows...a handyman here, another there, and voila!

As to wife and neighbours, I agree it is strange that they didn't notice anything, but building such facilities is not exactly unusual in Europe. So what is strange is not that he managed to build it, but that nobody bothered to know where he kept disappearing to...especially his wife.

About the system, I am sure we'd find just as bad cases in each and every country in the world, some far worse than others, starting in our region.



If a state inspector visits your house once every 1 or 2y I doubt that cries of violating personal freedoms. It is as simple as having it inspected for any potential construction violation.

cheers

I dont think visiting each and every house will be the best solution to such problems. Not because of privacy but because of the high costs of doing it. Such an operation needs hundreds of people to do and a lot of time and money. All these resources can be used in more useful life saving matters in any country.

In my opinion, 1 solution can be in strenghtening the law against it. I read lately on CNN that in this case, the man will be sentenced to approximately 15 years of prison. This is nothing for a crime of this calibre .... This man did his horrible acts for 24 YEARS, because he was not SO affraid of the consequences...

1 other solutions can be in fighting the problem from its roots, not only its consequences. I dont have any practical steps in mind, but I just believe that its not normal that in 2 years, in Austria only, 3 similar cases were revealed. How are'nt such very sick people obvious to their environment ??? However I dont know what can be done to reduce it from the roots..

[General my General!]

Originally Posted by fetikelmetssalet

I dont think visiting each and every house will be the best solution to such problems. Not because of privacy but because of the high costs of doing it. Such an operation needs hundreds of people to do and a lot of time and money. All these resources can be used in more useful life saving matters in any country.

In my opinion, 1 solution can be in strenghtening the law against it. I read lately on CNN that in this case, the man will be sentenced to approximately 15 years of prison. This is nothing for a crime of this calibre .... This man did his horrible acts for 24 YEARS, because he was not SO affraid of the consequences...

1 other solutions can be in fighting the problem from its roots, not only its consequences. I dont have any practical steps in mind, but I just believe that its not normal that in 2 years, in Austria only, 3 similar cases were revealed. How are'nt such very sick people obvious to their environment ??? However I dont know what can be done to reduce it from the roots..

Ouf! 15 years? what a joke! he should be sentenced for life!...he's ruined the life of not just his daughter, but also all the kids that were brought up down there!

I completely agree it would be very costly to inspect each home, but honestly i can't think of any other way! Given that this is the 3rd time they've recently uncovered such acts in Austria (and I'd bet all other places have it too) I think that would be the only way for the people to uncover any more cases that are still unknown.

Increasing the sentence is probably ineffective...similar to how death sentence doesn't discourage murderers. Criminals never think they'd be caught.

As for tackling the roots...beats me! But we're always bound to have a few ppl like this in any society no matter what.

In the end, between doing nothing and searching homes, I'd rather do something.

Cheers!

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by General my General!

Ouf! 15 years? what a joke! he should be sentenced for life!...he's ruined the life of not just his daughter, but also all the kids that were brought up down there!

Sentenced for life? LOL! Immediate execution after torture is not enough, nor would it make up for the horror he's committed. How about we give him another chance just in case he wants to rectify? . To the gallows!

Increasing the sentence is probably ineffective...similar to how death sentence doesn't discourage murderers. Criminals never think they'd be caught.

It both discourages criminals and saves others from them. Capital punishment all the way. Maybe people would think twice before they take dirty action.