Atheists, how do you view them?

[supersonichadi]

Originally Posted by shadow1

I think you missed the point of my post entirely like the guy above. Pathetic!
Read it again.


What people are you talking about? If you are talking about religious people, yes I agree there is nothing in the law that condemns them.

No am talking about athiests

[Abu Ruman]

Originally Posted by der FPBer

First, just to make things clear, this thread is not to discuss religion, nor any religious related issue, nor even any other related philosophical beliefs.


How do you view and judge atheists?

Do you accept their coexistence in the same community you belong to in the first?
If yes, how do you handle them?
If no, what do you suggest as a fair solution for such coexistence to take place?

Conversely, same questions would be also posed on atheists?

Atheists are heathen satanics who have deviated from the righteous path.

They should obviously be stoned to death.

[Zayn]

To my knowledge, most scientists are atheists.

And science has done a lot more than religion.

[supersonichadi]

Originally Posted by Abu Ruman

Atheists are heathen satanics who have deviated from the righteous path.

They should obviously be stoned to death.

I think we are discussing this issue in order to create a solution, not making another problem.

[supersonichadi]

Originally Posted by Zayn

To my knowledge, most scientists are atheists.

And science has done a lot more than religion.

Most scientists are trying to be instead of god, which a thing I don't agree on it at all.

[False Morel]

Originally Posted by abientot

Der FPBer, i did not say that there was no discrimination, i agreed with you on the fact that atheists are attacked on several levels, i just dont think it is that strong anymore on the social level (in Lebanon), like when two friends are socializing for example (you're right, you still have to be registered according to a certain religion which is a whole issue in itself because you do not get to choose your religion in the first place, so kif ma ykoun ma baddak wala we7deh mennon but im talking about the casual everyday life), enno i think that it's not that bad anymore considering the current situation, it used to be much worse, but things are evolving, though slowly nevertheless they are evolving.

in this you're completely right. i should have mentioned it. the situation is improving.
actually it even differs a lot from a community to another in lebanon, but lets not go there, ya3ni mish darori to solve a discrimination problem with another one :D

Originally Posted by abientot

So yes discrimination exists and it always will, but as i mentioned in a previous post, i think that the people who have issues with atheism also have issues with people who are 'different' because i feel that once you are able to accept people who are from a different religion for example,

in this i beg to differ again. religious people are somehow bound to fight each other, it's their eternal hobby :P
but in this case this proverb would fit right in place:
ana w 2ibn khaye 3a 2ibn 3ammi, w ana 2ibn 3ammi 3al gharib

ya3ni they identify an ahteist as a stranger and not as a different religion adherent ;)

and in lebanon, though the situation is in continuous improvement, still, atheists arent free to express themselves if they have to!

i dont see why you shouldnt be able to accept atheists because the way i view atheism is as a religion whose followers believe that there is no God

goerge carlin:
"atheism: a non-prophet organization" :D

[False Morel]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

It's not related to atheism, but if an atheist is going to bring up atheism to defend retardism, then it becomes related to the fact that he/she needs chaining to know where to stop.

dalz, there is no such thing. since when liberals are usíng atheism to defend their liberties<ß! or any atheist using atheism to defend the same liberties he believes in?!

Yeah, the Australian woman who married her dad is also an "open minded, civlized, and intellectual person" .

that american bishop who raped that 6 years old child isnt neither..
the fact saudi arabia hosting the biggest percentage of gays among all countries isnt neither!
beheadings and lashing arent neither!
self-crucifixions and self-torments arent neither!
those suicide bombers arent neither!
the fact iran being one of the leading countries concerning alcohol addiction isnt neither ;)

Yes true, and I have no problem with those. In fact, the disastrous people are the ones who think they know religion while they're clueless, those are a catastrophe, I can't stand them.

i fully agree!

I'm very happy with narrow mindedness, stupidity, dumbness, retardism, idiocy, whatever, when it comes from such kind of people. It's an honor to be the total opposite to what they are. Thank God.

dalz, you noticed the big at the end didnt you?!

what i was clearly refering to is that neither you nor i have the right to label each other as such only because we differ in opinions, principles, or visions!

this liberalism vs conservatism debate dont fit in this thread anyway!

but to be clear, being liberal and defending general liberties doesnt mean that i approve those sick minded acts. but the way i think is that neither i nor anybody else has the right to enforce such social restrictions in the way you're suggesting.

It's not the laws that stop you or what you are referring to as fear. It's how much you are ready to bring yourself down to the pits.

Who said to you that fearing God is what stops some people from doing what others do? As I said before, many atheists would shoot you if you lump them with others.

again what i was refering to is that if such problems are to be agreed on to solve and put restrictions for, laws are the right civil way to do it and not religion.

simple example lebanon, laws deprive gays from any rights.

Yallah, heik a7san ma te3jo2 ljanne, if we go there we'd have more room .

i thought only men go to heaven

[False Morel]

Originally Posted by Abu Ruman

Atheists are heathen satanics who have deviated from the righteous path.

They should obviously be stoned to death.

hehe nice one

the issue is, if hell would do the job, why dont they leave those innocent humans to live their finite life in peace and happiness?

[lady_forever]

Originally Posted by Abu Ruman

Atheists are heathen satanics who have deviated from the righteous path.

They should obviously be stoned to death.

I don't believe that atheists are heathen satanics ..they are just non believers sometimes a very hard event takes place in their lives and turn them into one ..to be stoned to death,,,why...even jesus said whoever is without sin let him throw the first stone..so i am not with them but still i can't judge them... why they turned into one..i can't either say why they lost their faith but i believe something they encountered made them so

[Abu Ruman]

Originally Posted by supersonichadi

I think we are discussing this issue in order to create a solution, not making another problem.

Ya, we can create a solution by imposing the righteous truth on those homo-loving, celestially-impaired ignoramuses.

If we actually let them eradicate our spiritual philosophy of justice (like the mercy of stoning and lashing), imagine what kind of immoral world we would live in (i.e. human rights, freedom of religion, freedom of opposite opinion, gender-equality, and other demonic-like relishes). God-forbid, is that the kind of world you want to live in?

Afterall, the truth is on our side whilst falsehood is on theirs.

God-willing, we shall speak unto them the language of the heavens.