Nba playoffs 2009

[sev]

Originally Posted by Thuggishh_E

Sev hahaha
Just see what happened with AI in Detroit how he ended up so selfish in refusing to play off the bench & how that team was miserable with him on the court & in the other hand see what Chauncey did to Denver.
They are on the verge of beating the Lakers & going to the finals
Iverson has a very big big ego & now no team wants him
only the Bobcats maybe bass he might retire after his disastrous season..

in his prime he was great but the best things he did was a EC crown & that's it.

I have followed AI situation at detroit.
Denver's improvement isnt because of AI leaving. They have got back Nene from cancer ( he didnt play last season). Plus they added billups, dahntay jones, balkman, andersen, petro. So you see they are 6/12 new team.50 % a new team. Its not fair to compare last year team with this one.
And their starting line up 3/5 is new ( jones, billups, nene) over the last year..




Detroit situation is different. AI is not a bench player, so him refusing to come off the bench is reasonable.A player with his status, its an insult to tell him you are bench player. remind you, AI was on his day the most popular player in the league ( 2001). And today he is still top 5 popular player. His jersey sales is always top 5.. ( check the latest top 5, it was kobe/lebron/garnett/paul and then AI )
AI didnt play at the end of the year. Yet how did detroit play better off without him? They lost to the sixers, bulls, INDIANA and miami. all without AI. They could have finished 5th, and ended 8th! what did they do vs cavs in the playoffs?? Not a single match they made a fight, despite during the regular season they won cleveland with AI..
Detroit's problem are more down to the rookie coach they hired. It was his first season coaching, and he made numerous mistakes . Especially changing the starting line up around 12 times ( not because of injuries)...

[Thuggishh_E]

Originally Posted by sev

I have followed AI situation at detroit.
Denver's improvement isnt because of AI leaving. They have got back Nene from cancer ( he didnt play last season). Plus they added billups, dahntay jones, balkman, andersen, petro. So you see they are 6/12 new team.50 % a new team. Its not fair to compare last year team with this one.
And their starting line up 3/5 is new ( jones, billups, nene) over the last year..

Johan Petro played in 27 games averaging 8 minutes
Balkman played 54 games averaging 14 minutes
Jones was a valuable addition (he played in the NBDL last year)
Birdman also (he was banned from playing for 2 years for Drugs) & he was 2nd in the league in Blocks (after Dwight Howard)

And of course Chauncey Billups the biggest addition for them this year
they went from the middle to last pack in the playoffs in the west to a 2nd seeded team this year
& u can quote George Carl praising the trade numerous times & discrediting AI 3 months ago after a victory
& they finished with 54 victories tying their franchise record
so u can say that Jones & Birdman did make a difference & but the biggest difference is the arrival of Chauncey instead of AI (i can add also that the numbers of Melo were down this year ;) )

Detroit situation is different. AI is not a bench player, so him refusing to come off the bench is reasonable.A player with his status, its an insult to tell him you are bench player. remind you, AI was on his day the most popular player in the league ( 2001). And today he is still top 5 popular player. His jersey sales is always top 5.. ( check the latest top 5, it was kobe/lebron/garnett/paul and then AI )
AI didnt play at the end of the year. Yet how did detroit play better off without him? They lost to the sixers, bulls, INDIANA and miami. all without AI. They could have finished 5th, and ended 8th! what did they do vs cavs in the playoffs?? Not a single match they made a fight, despite during the regular season they won cleveland with AI..
Detroit's problem are more down to the rookie coach they hired. It was his first season coaching, and he made numerous mistakes . Especially changing
the starting line up around 12 times ( not because of injuries)...

im not arguing that AI is or is not a popular player
Hell yeah he is what im saying & debating is what u said here

iverson > kobe or lebron

yes Curry is a rookie coach but yes AI didnt want to go down a lil bit from hi ego back to the earth
Rip was their SG for 6 + seasons & yet he accepted to be playing on the bench & let AI be the starter & the results were disastrous & when the caoch wanted to switch sides their won at first but when they started loosing ballach ya3te 7ejaj he is injured w ma ba3rif chou & he was back after some games & then rejji3 wa2af ba3den


Maybe he could have finished his career a la Steve Smith or A la Michael Finley playing a reduced role for a contending team but due to his selfishness & big ego no team will sign him this summer (maybe Bobcats or Knicks) because no one will pay him Superstar money specially taking into account his age

[sev]

You also ignore that nene came back from cancer for denver, and he didnt help them last year. Plus kenyon martin is back healthy playing his best game. UNLike last year, which was his first season returning from huge injury.

Yet despite all this improvements. Last year they won 50 games with AI, this year only 4 games more ( 54).
Comparing Billups vs Iverson isnt fair as well. One is point guard, the other is shooting guard. Denver got billups because they needed a point guard, not a scorer.
Here is what karl exactly said ( saw it on youtube) " Iverson can play point guard, he is great scorer... Billups can score, he is great point guard and we just needed this little adjustment "


The fact is, because he is allen Iverson. Because he is great player, because he is popular the media is always after him.. writing bad things about him.
They never made comparison between nene vs camby, or birdman (andersen ) vs camby.. or dahntay jones vs diawara..
That picture you posted is just another proof on how the media hates him.

Another proof how the media hates him. When AI refused to play as bench player, they made tons of newses about it.. writing bad things..
Yet On the other hand before richard hamilton went to the bench. He was asked by a reporter " are you going to the bench" his answer was " that aint happenin" ...
The media didnt make fuss out of it..


And when the pistons started losing with Hamilton as bench player he came out and said " I want my spot back, I dont want to continue to be bench player because we are not winning " .

Why didnt the media label hamilton as selfish??

Also there were many lies spread about AI. Like for example he was banned from two casinos and he made fights.. which just later on came out to be false.

The rookie coach was totally a disaster. At one point of the season detroit were 21 - 11 ( winning in los angeles lakers, beating cleveland, beating healthy san antonio with ginobili in spurs, beating orlando .... all with AI) . Instead he created jealousy between his players inside the team. They ended the season by playing below .300 basketball.Possibly the worst team at the end of the year. And many of their injuries ( not just AI, Rasheed Wallace + Hamilton) were alot fishy. All of those players missing games together made it very suspicious they didnt want to play with detroit anymore..

[Thuggishh_E]

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Originally Posted by sev

You also ignore that nene came back from cancer for denver, and he didnt help them last year. Plus kenyon martin is back healthy playing his best game. UNLike last year, which was his first season returning from huge injury.

Nene came back = Camby left them ;) (he was the defensive player of the year 2 seasons ago & the season before iza kenna b Nov 2008)
Kenyon is just a bust metlo metel Olowakandi metel Joe Smith metel Bargnani metel Bogut in the last 14 seasons, he is just a role player but yeah hon ma3ak 7a2 he was healthy (77 games if im not mistaken)

Yet despite all this improvements. Last year they won 50 games with AI, this year only 4 games more ( 54).
Comparing Billups vs Iverson isnt fair as well. One is point guard, the other is shooting guard. Denver got billups because they needed a point guard, not a scorer.
Here is what karl exactly said ( saw it on youtube) " Iverson can play point guard, he is great scorer... Billups can score, he is great point guard and we just needed this little adjustment "

But with AI they were going no where, JR Smith & Melo akhado 3adeto l ghalat metel going to parties w byerja3o late, not taking practices more seriously, playing lazy defense (team defense).
With Chauncey he brought them Leadership & that's what i was saying about Karl (when he discredited AI) AI didnt bring them that (i know that u know what im referring to bass ma 3am le2e l link ;) )
AI is a superstar & Chauncey is a star so i guess that yeah we can compare them mech comparing a role player to a star

The fact is, because he is allen Iverson. Because he is great player, because he is popular the media is always after him.. writing bad things about him.
They never made comparison between nene vs camby, or birdman (andersen ) vs camby.. or dahntay jones vs diawara..
That picture you posted is just another proof on how the media hates him.

Well im a Kobe fan w sma7le fiya ma fi 7ada byekrahou l media add Kobe.
i will also bet money on this.
maybe some media hates him but he is not hated as much Kobe is hated.
Believe me i read NBA columns for an hour daily (yahoo, espn ,si, nba.com, blogs, etc...) and after every Lakers loss b balcho ysebo b Kobe.

Another proof how the media hates him. When AI refused to play as bench player, they made tons of newses about it.. writing bad things..
Yet On the other hand before richard hamilton went to the bench. He was asked by a reporter " are you going to the bench" his answer was " that aint happenin" ...
The media didnt make fuss out of it..

mmm yes i remember first of all he refused then he accepted
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And when the pistons started losing with Hamilton as bench player he came out and said " I want my spot back, I dont want to continue to be bench player because we are not winning " .

Why didnt the media label hamilton as selfish??

maybe the difference between AI & Rip that AI spoke TOO much about it
but yeah u are right both didnt accept first & made a fuss bout it then both wanted their starting spot back

Also there were many lies spread about AI. Like for example he was banned from two casinos and he made fights.. which just later on came out to be false.

yeah i remember it i read it on truth and rumors on si.com, not in their main page, or at any main page at espn, yahoo sports or wtv
and it was a rumor by a site needing a publicity

The rookie coach was totally a disaster. At one point of the season detroit were 21 - 11 ( winning in los angeles lakers, beating cleveland, beating healthy san antonio with ginobili in spurs, beating orlando .... all with AI) . Instead he created jealousy between his players inside the team. They ended the season by playing below .300 basketball.Possibly the worst team at the end of the year. And many of their injuries ( not just AI, Rasheed Wallace + Hamilton) were alot fishy. All of those players missing games together made it very suspicious they didnt want to play with detroit anymore..

Curry and Del Negro and Dunleavy are the worst coaches in Basketball
Sheed clearly mailed it this season & he even asked Dumars for a Buy-Out at the deadline to join the cavs to win the title
so lame man so lame

[sev]

Orlando is up 3 - 1 vs cleveland. They are going to win the series.
I already felt they will before series started.. because during the season cleveland barely beat orlando at home, and orlando blew them up in Orlando.
I think even if cleveland make the final they will lose to the lakers. Against the lakers also twice during the year they lost..


Their record was overachievment

[Thuggishh_E]

Originally Posted by sev

Orlando is up 3 - 1 vs cleveland. They are going to win the series.
I already felt they will before series started.. because during the season cleveland barely beat orlando at home, and orlando blew them up in Orlando.
I think even if cleveland make the final they will lose to the lakers. Against the lakers also twice during the year they lost..


Their record was overachievment

he problem is Rashard Lewis.
no one in the cavs roster can guard him, Anderson Varejoa is a low post defender & wont follow him to the 3 pt line, Z nesse yomut & if LBJ will guard him that leaves Hedu with a Big matchup & height advantage on Mo or West.
w Howard if u dbl team him the 3s will start raining, & if you dont he will kill you down there.
The cavs dont have Kendrick Perkins who defended him really really well in the last series
& Mo williams is shooting 35% only, that's not the allstar version of him he has to wake up

[Tayyar Keserwen]

LAKERS TO THE FINALS.

go Kobe go! he had 35 points and 10 assists... UNSTOPPABLE.

I'm dreaming of a Cavs Vs Lakers showdown in the finals.

[Thuggishh_E]

Originally Posted by Tayyar Keserwen

LAKERS TO THE FINALS.

go Kobe go! he had 35 points and 10 assists... UNSTOPPABLE.

I'm dreaming of a Cavs Vs Lakers showdown in the finals.

and Kobe was efficient also
12-20 shots 2 3s 9-9 FTs & +31
raw3a

nchalla LeBron will be in the finals bass chakla so3be since the Magic completely owned the Cavs in Amway Arena the last couple of years :S

[sev]

Originally Posted by Thuggishh_E

and Kobe was efficient also
12-20 shots 2 3s 9-9 FTs & +31
raw3a

nchalla LeBron will be in the finals bass chakla so3be since the Magic completely owned the Cavs in Amway Arena the last couple of years :S

Lakers - Orlando final it will be..

During the regular season, Orlando won the two games. However back then Jameer Nelson was playing, and he was rocking. Now he is injured.

[KyBbalLoveAffair]

The Magic won a close one tonight.