Berri, where are ur lebanese concerns?

[hhhh23]

Originally Posted by agnostic

hhh

if you want to reopen the files of the past go on. but please be accurate. your lies will not change anything on the facts that hariri, jumbla and geagea are the worse criminals and thieves that lebanon could know.

- Geagea, hariri and jumblat are the worst criminals and thieves that Lebanon could, will and has ever known.

This concludese your first remark. Second, LIES? So according to you the following are LIES:
- Lebanese prisoners in Syria are lies?
- The torture from Syrians to the Lebanese in Beau rivage are LIES?
- The invasion of 13 October 1990 is a LIE?
- THe fact that the SAME Syrian Regime appointed Hariri baba as PM and Nabih Berri as Speaker is a LIE?
- The fact that Syria OCCUPIED Lebanon 15 years is a LIE?
- The fact that Syria hit and oppressed AOunists for 15 years is a LIE?
- 7 AUgust 2001 is a LIE?
- The fact that Berri, HA was ALLIED with HAriri and Jumblat and Syria from 1990-2005 is a LIE?
- The fact that Berri was speaker of the Parliament for 15 years and was happy to approve all the corruption of Hariri is a LIE?
- The fact that Berri used to go with Hariri and Jumblat to 3anjar and lick SYrian boots isa LIE?

As for Dalzi, I am sorry to inform you, neither you nor ANYONE can find pictures of Aounists kissing Sharon, FPMers leave the collaboration with outside countries to other parties who are experts in the area :-)

[agnostic]

Originally Posted by hhhh23

- Geagea, hariri and jumblat are the worst criminals and thieves that Lebanon could, will and has ever known.

This concludese your first remark. Second, LIES? So according to you the following are LIES:
- Lebanese prisoners in Syria are lies?
- The torture from Syrians to the Lebanese in Beau rivage are LIES?
- The invasion of 13 October 1990 is a LIE?
- THe fact that the SAME Syrian Regime appointed Hariri baba as PM and Nabih Berri as Speaker is a LIE?
- The fact that Syria OCCUPIED Lebanon 15 years is a LIE?
- The fact that Syria hit and oppressed AOunists for 15 years is a LIE?
- 7 AUgust 2001 is a LIE?
- The fact that Berri, HA was ALLIED with HAriri and Jumblat and Syria from 1990-2005 is a LIE?
- The fact that Berri was speaker of the Parliament for 15 years and was happy to approve all the corruption of Hariri is a LIE?
- The fact that Berri used to go with Hariri and Jumblat to 3anjar and lick SYrian boots isa LIE?

Tayyeb SHN shu 5asso?
So next time try to be more accurate.

[drinkaholic]

Originally Posted by johnnyFPM

The opposition has one negociator for the presidential elections: General Michel Aoun.

If you think Syria is influencing him, then I'm sorry we're on different levels and can't debate.

Hi There JohnnyFPM!
No I didn't say that :-D

I didn't even imply that...

I just meant that I am very convinced that external factors can have influence on BOTH the opposition and the loyalists' actions,I find it impossible that they dont!

Syria has influence on the Opposition
Arab countries and the USA has influence on the Loyalists

Salam

Originally Posted by Dalzi

Smell the beans as the ma7masa does its job.

Marhaba Dalzi,but I didn't understand what this means?

Originally Posted by 4U2IMI8

Syria wants what the opposition wants.
Syria wants a president that deals with Syria as a good neighbor, the opposition wants the same thing.
Syria wants the resistance to continue and stay strong, HA and Amal want the same thing.
Syria does not want Lebanon to become the 51st state in the US, the opposition wants the same.
Syria does not want Lebanon to be an extension of Saudi Arabia, the opposition wants the same thing.
I could go on and on. Being friendly with the Syrians does not mean they dictate things to us, it just so happened that they agree on everything the opposition wants, very simple.

Hi 4U2IMI8!

That is all a sham,Syria wants to control Lebanon again ! the Al Assad ruling family has never recognized Lebanon as an independent entity and they believe that Syria under their control has the right to dominate and control Lebanese affairs..what proves that? I just looked at their actions in the past decades in Lebanon And that is the biggest proof that they just exploit Lebanon and don't care about anything but being more powerful and staying in control,3ala 7seb Lubnen

Well alright,we are saying here,the opposition is working for Lebanon's best interests,right?

How can Syria al Assad want Lebanon's best interests too!? Everything they did in the past decades proves they make sure that Lebanon stays in the worst situation!

Yeah they don't want Lebanon to be an extension of Saudi Arabia because they want to keep it an extension of Syria!

The Syrian people are our lovely brothers and sisters,and Syria is wonderful country,but the Syrian government is cruel and anti-Lebanon and we shouldn't be friendly with it at all !

To Lebanon,they (Syria=KSA=USA) all just seek their personal interests

Salam

[Dalzi]

Khamse b3youn l7ased.

Originally Posted by drinkaholic

Marhaba Dalzi,but I didn't understand what this means?

Ahlan :D. Just coffee rhetoric...

[vegojimbo]

Originally Posted by chafic

Vego,

what is new about this statement? Hasn't our dear speaker repeated this nauseating idea many times already?

There's nothing new. I have always been disgusted with these kinds of statements from Berri. It happens that this time I felt this is too much and I had to open a thread about this issue.

[shadow1]

Originally Posted by vegojimbo

There's nothing new. I have always been disgusted with these kinds of statements from Berri. It happens that this time I felt this is too much and I had to open a thread about this issue.

Vego,
It will spare you a lot of frustration to know that Franjieh ( the grand dad, not the current big mouth) was the only president ever elected in lebanon without foreign interference, as far as I know.
What Berri said is keeping up the tradition. What angered you is that you believed that things could be otherwise but they cant. Since we cannot change the truth we can always work on our opinion of it.

[chafic]

Originally Posted by shadow1

Vego,
It will spare you a lot of frustration to know that Franjieh ( the grand dad, not the current big mouth) was the only president ever elected in lebanon without foreign interference, as far as I know.
What Berri said is keeping up the tradition. What angered you is that you believed that things could be otherwise but they cant. Since we cannot change the truth we can always work on our opinion of it.

You're an expert in boosting morales

[goatlord]

Berri says it like it really is. The problem isn't with FPM (LMFAO) or internal, only a child will believe that. It's much bigger than that.

For the people saying Berri meant KSA has to stop meddling, you're wrong. I've read an article in Daily Star where he says it means Syria has to fix things with KSA. I even found the article but I don't have access to the archives. All you have to do is google: "Berri Syria Saudi Daily Star" and you'll get it. If someone has access to the archives, PLEASE post it.

It's a shame that we have to wait for Saudi and KSA to agree, but whatever. Berri is a great Arab figure and Lebanese politician in my book, and he has the right to make mistakes like that and get away with it.

[L'arbalette]

Originally Posted by goatlord

It's a shame that we have to wait for Saudi and KSA to agree, .

This will never happen...

[>Watani<]

Originally Posted by vegojimbo

I honestly expect a reply from FPM about Berri's statement bc as far as FPM goes, there is a deadlock in the presidency bc of internal issues and not bc Syria and KSA are pissed off at each other.

Moreover, HA have been stating the opposite of Berri's statement and claiming that whatever KSA and Syria agree on, the solution is in Lebanon bc the opposition's demands emanate from lebanese concerns.

Berri is saying the opposition is a pawn to Syria and that the lebanese conflict is only a manifestation of a syrio-saudi tension. Now of course this tension has had an impact on the lebanese scene, but it's not the source at all. The demands of the opposition are lebanese. Let Berri prove how they are not.

Now, I will restrict my talk about FPM. FPM's position on the presidency and the current deadlock has been due to concerns it considered purely lebanese. How is a new electoral law a syrian concern? How is having equal say in lebanese affairs a syrian demand? How is asking for transparency a syrian point? How is asking for accountability a syrian act too? And how can Syria have any influence over FPM?

So if anything, Berri should talk about him and his party alone if he feels he has no problems in case Syria and KSA agree, but let him not make it sound like he is talking in the name of the entire opposition. Whether Syria and KSA agree or not, this will not push the opposition to drop its demands.


Mr Berri, where the heck are ur lebanese concerns? u've just basically stated that the entire demands of the opposition are bogus and only a facade of a syrio-saudi disagreement. That sir is not true and u have no right to say it in the name of the entire opposition. I expect FPM to reply to this bogus nonesense!

Vego, you should carefully read GMA's interview with Scarlett Haddad

Q - Il pourrait donc se ranger aux côtés de la majorité pour élire un président ?

R – « La présidence n’est pas seulement une question de voix. Beaucoup d’États interviennent sur ce dossier et ne parviennent pas à obtenir gain de cause, car leur projet ne bénéficie pas d’un appui populaire. On ne peut pas détourner l’opinion des gens et leur volonté. Un candidat qui détient 65 % des suffrages ne peut être remplacé par un autre qui n’en a que 2,5 %. C’est monstrueux. »