The Zionist Plan for the Middle East

[Kibitzer]

Originally Posted by DukeRustfield

I almost hate to bump this thread, but do you have any idea the amount of racism that exists in these posts? The hypocrisy is astounding. No one is "evil" based on their birth. I understand there is massive "bad blood" between your countries, but just like there are HUMANS in Lebanon with different and contrasting opinions, goals, ideals, and dreams, so it is with any country. Including Israel.

I can't believe I'm stepping back into this but I'm in so much "hot water" now, I guess it does not matter.

Duke - racism exists everywhere and in the USA we have a vivid history of that racism. It existed for over 100 years and you might not be old enough to remember it but I am .... I lived during those times and it was as hate filled as what you see in the ME. Consider please a couple of things

1. Lebanon is a country that was invaded and occupied & the reason does not matter.... this is huge and difficult to "get over".
2. There is a big problem with "history" both their own and that of Israel - as in "it's not taught" ..... information comes from web-sites like you see in this thread or from those who lived through these invasions and from religious leaders.
3. Religion is involved and when religion is involved everything is more difficult to solve.
4. Let's talk about "solve". We are living in the "now" generation where everything is expected to come fast. Any peace that will occur will come in "baby steps". Racism did not end in the US "fast". There were 10 yrs. between Brown vs Board of Education and the Civil Rights Act. Perhaps a start can be a "lack of war" instead of an impossible "peace and friendship".

It is not reasonable to work toward this (what makes sense to us) while ignoring the "history" and the "religion". The feelings of the Arabs and Muslims have to be understood. Like I've said ... there are no "good guys" in this whole thing. Everyone has a "point" on each side and they all have to be considered. To me - the most important thing is to understand that history moves forward ... it can't move backwards. We can't change what HAS happened - it has to be about the future.

It's not about boys with toys ... it is about strongly held belief

Thank you for your Peaceful Concern, But Peace is not a Desire, it is a struggle between Good and Evil.

This is not "rhetoric" or war mongering - this is belief , honest belief

I don't know what the answer will be or when a solution will be found. I do know that a solution WILL be found ... history tells us this will happen. The only question is - How many more will die in the process?

I agree with Hye also - I think this "Zionism" is often used as a control mechanism and it is easier to channel poverty to hate. Things like that happen, but it is NOT an explanation for all anti-Israel/anti-Jew feelings. Wealth people also hate Israel and Jews.

One last thing - it is my opinion (as is this whole post) that the greatest "friends" Israel has today are the anti-semitics like in Iran and Hezbollah. Every time there is hate talk about "death to Israel" this only bring more support world wide to Israel. This gains sympathy for Israel and that sympathy angers the ME. I'm not saying what is "right" or "wrong" just what I think "is". No justification or excuses ..... just my opinion.

I also think you are not trying to see what the Arab/Muslim side is - it is not necessary to agree with it, but at least try to understand it. Without understanding , how can progress ever be made ... on either side?

[Bodhisattva]

quite a good post K, thanks for the insights and the refreshing take,

regds :)

[Ahmad Aown]

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Originally Posted by DukeRustfield

It feels like all sides are angry teenage boys. They can't be the first to offer their hand because it would make them look weak. So they'd rather have everyone and everything they care about be destroyed instead.

Since you are a Genius in offering peace to the World, Give us your perspective about Peace. Don't Just Throw void words, Advices, Preaches and silly Talk.
Give us a Real Vision about the Problem and Practical Steps to take to Bring Peace to the Reigion.

I'm sorry, George Bush called, and he wants his rhetoric back. There is no such thing as evil. Humans are humans regardless of skin tone or God(s).

Your Sarcasm is a peace Message, I guess you are a promising Peacefull Image to the world, Well Done.
To your Criteria, I think you are fooling yourself, Because from few Phrases you triesd enriching us here, you managed pretty well to Contradict yourself,
You say Humans are Humans, HHhhh, But Some Humans are actually Not, They are Little Boys Playing with Toys. (How Humaniterian you are).
Sorry Mr. But you failed the Peace Test, Now let's try the Struggle between Good and Evil, Maybe that would put your Feet back on the Ground.

You won't find it there because it's not credible. Just more crack pot conspiracy theories. Here's a real simple reason why it's nonsense: if America finds some top nuclear scientists in Iraq they ask them if they would like to come to America with their families and work. And unless they really like Iraqi violence, they're very likely to go. We've done this since WWII. Why destroy assets when you can get them to work for you?

Then Again Mr. you have fallen into your Trap. Does that mean that The Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis who were Killed During the Introduction of the US Peace and Democracy, are of no value to the US, the Reason why they are reliefing the world's Population from Un-necessary Increase to save Polution and Food, HHhhh.
You have some Vision for Peace Mr. Peace.
Shall I remind you that the Super Bombs that were Delivered By the US to Israel during the July War were actually meant to provoke Peace in the ME. why don't you tell that to the Families that lost their Loved ones.

Enough of silly Visions. It is easy to Set Theories about Virtues of Life, But when you are a spectator, you have no right to judge Victims as Non Peace Lovers.
Why don't you come down to the Battle Fields and see Houses Destroyed, Families Missing their Enfants,Babies and Loved ones, Soils Poluted with DU, Fields planted with Cluster Bombs, Areas Weaved with Mines, Bridges Destryed, etc,, If you really want peace stop your B..LL Sh..T, and Get down here to help rebuilding what your Government had Destryed.

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

Originally Posted by Ahmad Aown

Since you are a Genius in offering peace to the World, Give us your perspective about Peace. Don't Just Throw void words, Advices, Preaches and silly Talk.
Give us a Real Vision about the Problem and Practical Steps to take to Bring Peace to the Reigion.

My suggestion is to zionize the Middle East, that would be a shortcut to peace & democarcy. Unfortunately, Arabs bring nothing but violence into this world true to their nature and true to their religion. Realisticly speaking, the best solution is for Israel to continue defending itself until Globalism has strengthened it's grip on the Middle East, by that time all the arab world will make peace with Israel, it will be a domino effect.

Then Again Mr. you have fallen into your Trap. Does that mean that The Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis who were Killed During the Introduction of the US Peace and Democracy, are of no value to the US, the Reason why they are reliefing the world's Population from Un-necessary Increase to save Polution and Food, HHhhh.

We have to admit, the U.S. was quite naive to introduce a western style democracy to a brutal population thats still stuck in the dark ages in terms of their mentality. In that aspect I agree with you, but who is responsbile for the hundreds of thousands of deaths in Iraq? As I recall, the Iraqis are killing themselves, which is what they were doing anyway before Saddam put them on a leash. Iran, Syria, KSA and the rest of the gulf are helping them annihilate each other, as they helped the Lebanese do to themselves during the civil war. Frankly, the full responsibility falls on the Iraqis themselves, if they weren't so vicious and corrupted, then they would be recovering and building a country to be proud of, rather than terrorizing each other.

Why don't you come down to the Battle Fields and see Houses Destroyed, Families Missing their Enfants,Babies and Loved ones, Soils Poluted with DU, Fields planted with Cluster Bombs, Areas Weaved with Mines, Bridges Destryed, etc,, If you really want peace stop your B..LL Sh..T, and Get down here to help rebuilding what your Government had Destryed.

HA is equally responsible for that destruction, but I won't say anymore regarding this particular topic because of a promise that I made to someone that lost loved ones as a result of the Israeli bombing. No one wants to see innocent people dying, but the party that started the war should be held equally accountable. You can't attack another country and expect them to throw roses on you.

[DukeRustfield]

It is not reasonable to work toward this (what makes sense to us) while ignoring the "history" and the "religion". The feelings of the Arabs and Muslims have to be understood.

To get over racism in the US, which you mentioned, this is exactly what we did. Were the southerner's feelings and beliefs taken into consideration and understood? No, of course not, they were thrown out as racism and the National Guard said if you don't like integration, be prepared to die for your racism (or at least go to jail). Racism shouldn't be coddled and cultivated.

But Some Humans are actually Not, They are Little Boys Playing with Toys.

Little boys are still humans. Even stupid little boys are still humans. Even stupid little boys with racist thoughts and big guns are still human. None of them are evil.

Does that mean that The Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis who were Killed During the Introduction of the US Peace and Democracy, are of no value to the US

You are attempting to debate using faulty logic. This is called the "straw man" principle and thus has no bearing.

But when you are a spectator, you have no right to judge Victims as Non Peace Lovers.

I have every right to judge any human I choose unless you decide you are no longer human and have instead become an animal.

Get down here to help rebuilding

I recommend you don't rebuild. It is wasted effort if you plan on "living" with hatred and racism. It will just be destroyed again and cause more anger.

[Ahmad Aown]

Originally Posted by DukeRustfield

To get over racism in the US, which you mentioned, this is exactly what we did. Were the southerner's feelings and beliefs taken into consideration and understood? No, of course not, they were thrown out as racism and the National Guard said if you don't like integration, be prepared to die for your racism (or at least go to jail). Racism shouldn't be coddled and cultivated.

I don't Get your Message here, does that mean that you approve the National Guard's call to impose peace?
What happened to the Peace Talks and Loving Feelings and the Teachings you've been promoting here.

I repeat , Peace is not a Desire, It is a struggle between Good and Evil.

Little boys are still humans. Even stupid little boys are still humans. Even stupid little boys with racist thoughts and big guns are still human. None of them are evil.

So now you are a judge of who is who and who isn't?
So much for a Peacefull approach Mr. BIG BOY.
If only you could tell us here how did you earn such authority to be a Judge on People. ( Not to forget that you are a Peace and Humanitarian Preacher).

You are attempting to debate using faulty logic. This is called the "straw man" principle and thus has no bearing.

Am I?
Check your reply below and Judge for yourself.

I have every right to judge any human I choose unless you decide you are no longer human and have instead become an animal.

It looks that I have no choice with your Criteria, Do I?
Thank you anyway for being Peacefull.

I recommend you don't rebuild. It is wasted effort if you plan on "living" with hatred and racism. It will just be destroyed again and cause more anger.

And you talked Faulty Logic?
What happened to the peacefull approach?

Anyway, here is a typical Answer by Gaius Julius Caesar to your Calls:

My suggestion is to zionize the Middle East, that would be a shortcut to peace & democarcy. Unfortunately, Arabs bring nothing but violence into this world true to their nature and true to their religion. Realisticly speaking, the best solution is for Israel to continue defending itself until Globalism has strengthened it's grip on the Middle East, by that time all the arab world will make peace with Israel, it will be a domino effect.

By the way, why do I feel that Both of you are speaking with the Same tongue.
One who preaches Peace with a discriminative Tongue, while the Other Preaches Discrimination with a Peacefull Tongue.

[Ahmad Aown]

Originally Posted by Gaius Julius Caesar

My suggestion is to zionize the Middle East, that would be a shortcut to peace & democarcy. Unfortunately, Arabs bring nothing but violence into this world true to their nature and true to their religion. Realisticly speaking, the best solution is for Israel to continue defending itself until Globalism has strengthened it's grip on the Middle East, by that time all the arab world will make peace with Israel, it will be a domino effect.

We have to admit, the U.S. was quite naive to introduce a western style democracy to a brutal population thats still stuck in the dark ages in terms of their mentality. In that aspect I agree with you, but who is responsbile for the hundreds of thousands of deaths in Iraq? As I recall, the Iraqis are killing themselves, which is what they were doing anyway before Saddam put them on a leash. Iran, Syria, KSA and the rest of the gulf are helping them annihilate each other, as they helped the Lebanese do to themselves during the civil war. Frankly, the full responsibility falls on the Iraqis themselves, if they weren't so vicious and corrupted, then they would be recovering and building a country to be proud of, rather than terrorizing each other.

HA is equally responsible for that destruction, but I won't say anymore regarding this particular topic because of a promise that I made to someone that lost loved ones as a result of the Israeli bombing. No one wants to see innocent people dying, but the party that started the war should be held equally accountable. You can't attack another country and expect them to throw roses on you.

Well Done

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

Originally Posted by Ahmad Aown

Anyway, here is a typical Answer by Gaius Julius Caesar to your Calls:


By the way, why do I feel that Both of you are speaking with the Same tongue.
One who preaches Peace with a discriminative Tongue, while the Other Preaches Discrimination with a Peacefull Tongue.

Ahmad, you're going around calling an entire race evil, well look in your own backyard, actions speak louder than words, the Jews are not killing each other, but arabs are...

[Ahmad Aown]

Originally Posted by Gaius Julius Caesar

Ahmad, you're going around calling an entire race evil, well look in your own backyard, actions speak louder than words, the Jews are not killing each other, but arabs are...

Correction, The Jewish State of Israel Is the One Killing us. But Not for Long.

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

Originally Posted by Ahmad Aown

Correction, The Jewish State of Israel Is the One Killing us. But Not for Long.

The Iraqis converted to Judiasim?