The Zionist Plan for the Middle East

[Lebanese_Nationalist]

Originally Posted by LebArmenian

no , just that the jews are a bit foxier then arabs and they could turn the cooperation into an occupation without the arabis realising it .

LebArmenian,

This anti-semitism of yours is getting quite worrisome; however, I do agree that the "Jews" are a bit foxier than the Arabs. They know that they can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar, with "flies" being the sympathy of the international community. Instead of having Arabs chanting death to anything that moves, maybe they should become a little bit more foxy, don't you think?

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by jiugiusti

Now that we know the zionist project.
What is the project of syria and iran?
Thank you.

Jeez Jiugiusti.... I can bet on my neighbour's dog's life that you didn't read the article .

Of course their plan is to make sure that the zionist plan fails before it engulfs us all.

We don't need no article to figure out their plan... This is just proof to what we've been saying... We lived under their occupation and watched their live TV... The tactics they use and the steps they follow, as well as they're zionist ideology... It's as clear as the sun.

How many times have we said that Israel has promised Joujou a Durzi state?

“...the Druzes who will set up a state, maybe even in our Golan, and certainly in the Hauran and in northern Jordan.”

[Dry Ice]

Originally Posted by LebArmenian

of what? jews being smarter then arabs ?

Of Jews occupying Arabs without them realizing it....

[Dry Ice]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

No need to wonder Dry Ice, they have it all planned and besides it worked in for tens of years while they occupied the south. Got what they wanted by simply following the "Pay them, own them" logic.

It "worked" in South Lebanon?

As far as I know the Israelis were constantly harassed and resisted in South Lebanon until their retreat in 2000 and it "worked"? hmmmmm

Originally Posted by Dalzi

Here's what they have to say to your question:

The answer to that is the method of ruling by means of "Haddad forces" or of "Village Associations" (also known as "Village Leagues"): local forces under "leaders" completely dissociated from the population, not having even any feudal or party structure (such as the Phalangists have, for example). The "states" proposed by Yinon are "Haddadland" and "Village Associations," and their armed forces will be, no doubt, quite similar. In addition, Israeli military superiority in such a situation will be much greater than it is even now, so that any movement of revolt will be "punished" either by mass humiliation as in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, or by bombardment and obliteration of cities, as in Lebanon now (June 1982), or by both. In order to ensure this, the plan, as explained orally, calls for the establishment of Israeli garrisons in focal places between the mini states, equipped with the necessary mobile destructive forces. In fact, we have seen something like this in Haddadland and we will almost certainly soon see the first example of this system functioning either in South Lebanon or in all Lebanon.

And you can certainly note that the Israelis had major difficulties implementing this on a patch of land as small as the former occupied zone in South Leb.

Now you want to apply this on an area inhabitated by dozens of millions of Arabs?

Unless you have in mind major mass movements of populations and nuking whole areas, in this case we can write a book that would compete with Orson Welles himself.

[Dalzi]

Aoun4lebanon

Great contribution

I urge all members to read the article, i know it would take a lot of time and you might need to read it more than once; but believe me it's worth it.

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by Dry Ice

It "worked" in South Lebanon?

As far as I know the Israelis were constantly harassed and resisted in South Lebanon until their retreat in 2000 and it "worked"? hmmmmm

Those that were harassed more than the Israelis were the Lebanese "bags" that they put in their places. It sure worked, they were able to form an army out of Lebanese people, thus putting themselves away from danger. If it wasn't for our "traitors", Israel wouldn't have been able to control the area.

However, when they started to cop most of the "harassment" , they decided to escape while they can.

And you can certainly note that the Israelis had major difficulties implementing this on a patch of land as small as the former occupied zone in South Leb.

Now you want to apply this on an area inhabitated by dozens of millions of Arabs?

Unless you have in mind major mass movements of populations and nuking whole areas, in this case we can write a book that would compete with Orson Welles himself.

This is why we say that Israel won't stay . You're getting the picture aren't u... This is they're plan, but we are making it impossible. Now.. this is what they have to say:

"Our existence in this country itself is certain, and there is no force that could remove us from here either forcefully or by treachery (Sadat's method). Despite the difficulties of the mistaken "peace" policy and the problem of the Israeli Arabs and those of the territories, we can effectively deal with these problems in the foreseeable future."

If they manage to weaken us, it would be possible. So are we going to make it possible? We have to be aware of what's been plotted in order to face it wisely and strongly.

[Dry Ice]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

Those that were harassed more than the Israelis were the Lebanese "bags" that they put in their places. It sure worked, they were able to form an army out of Lebanese people, thus putting themselves away from danger. If it wasn't for our "traitors", Israel wouldn't have been able to control the area.

However, when they started to cop most of the "harassment" , they decided to escape while they can.

This is why we say that Israel won't stay . You're getting the picture aren't u... This is they're plan, but we are making it impossible.

I am certainly not doing some free promotion for Hezbollah however answering your concerns about a Great Israel, this however does not entail keepin an islamic resistance after the Israelis have left.

Originally Posted by Dalzi

Now.. this is what they have to say:

"Our existence in this country itself is certain, and there is no force that could remove us from here either forcefully or by treachery (Sadat's method). Despite the difficulties of the mistaken "peace" policy and the problem of the Israeli Arabs and those of the territories, we can effectively deal with these problems in the foreseeable future."

If they manage to weaken us, it would be possible. So are we going to make it possible? We have to be aware of what's been plotted in order to face it wisely and strongly.

We covered already what they have to say, if this discussion is about South Lebanon so be it in another direction - if it is about the topic of Great Israel, then let is continue in this way - however it seems that you are using the topic of Great Israel to push ahead the topic of keeping Hezbollah armed, this is unacceptable rhetoric.

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by Dry Ice

I am certainly not doing some free promotion for Hezbollah however answering your concerns about a Great Israel, this however does not entail keepin an islamic resistance after the Israelis have left.

They haven't left. They took land only last week in case you don't know.

We covered already what they have to say, if this discussion is about South Lebanon so be it in another direction - if it is about the topic of Great Israel, then let is continue in this way - however it seems that you are using the topic of Great Israel to push ahead the topic of keeping Hezbollah armed, this is unacceptable rhetoric.

This is what they mean when they say that our eyes are closed . We forget what's happening and start thinking HA LF Amal LFPM...

I didn't say anything about HA being armed . All i said was that we have to stick together because our "division" is what weakens us. I used South Lebanon as an example of how they have set up their plan, and how it failed there.

[Dry Ice]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

They haven't left. They took land only last week in case you don't know.

Yeah... and the Syrians still did not leave from Lebanon, they took land as well in Deir Al Achayer, Qaa, Ras Baalbeck, Hermel and Arsal...

What's your point? This patch of land that they took is a precursor to Great Israel?

Originally Posted by Dalzi

This is what they mean when they say that our eyes are closed . We forget what's happening and start thinking HA LF Amal LFPM...

Typical SHN reply

Originally Posted by Dalzi

I didn't say anything about HA being armed . All i said was that we have to stick together because our "division" is what weakens us. I used South Lebanon as an example of how they have set up their plan, and how it failed there.

As if I'm against unity however let's stick to the the topic of this thread and ask you to look at it in general and not use it as a tool to promote a particular idea.

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by Dry Ice

Yeah... and the Syrians still did not leave from Lebanon, they took land as well in Deir Al Achayer, Qaa, Ras Baalbeck, Hermel and Arsal...

What's your point? This patch of land that they took is a precursor to Great Israel?

We're not discussing Syria here, we can do that in a new thread

Typical SHN reply

Sorry... couldn't help that .
It's what i think though.. Me and my guardian angel SHN think alike

As if I'm against unity however let's stick to the the topic of this thread and ask you to look at it in general and not use it as a tool to promote a particular idea.

Exactly Dry Ice. I'm so glad to hear that. Yallah let's cut this **** and stick to the topic, it's much bigger than a party or a single country.