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Default Will Switzerland Vote to Ban Minarets on Mosques? - 27th November 2009

This weekend there is a public referendum in Switzerland:

Will Switzerland Vote to Ban Minarets on Mosques?



Strolling through downtown Geneva on a cool October evening, Nadia, a 23-year-old Kosovo native, shakes her head at a provocative poster depicting a burqa-clad woman in front of a thicket of missile-shaped minarets rising out of a Swiss flag. Below the flag, the word stop is written in big, bold letters. "As a Muslim woman, I am offended by this image," says Nadia, who requested that her last name not be used. "It presents Islam as a danger to Swiss society."

That is exactly the message the poster's creators intend to convey. The image that has unsettled many of Switzerland's 310,000 Muslims is part of a campaign by the right-wing Swiss People's Party (SVP) to urge voters to approve a Nov. 29 referendum on whether to ban the construction of new minarets on mosques in the country. The party contends that more minarets — only four mosques currently have them — could inflame extremism and lead to a "rampant Islamization" of the country.
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The issue, which has divided Switzerland, comes amid concerns over a rising anti-Muslim xenophobia in Europe and heated debate in countries such as France and Italy over the banning of other Muslim symbols like the burqa. In Switzerland, though, it's not just the referendum that has angered Muslims but also the SVP's minaret poster itself, which many opponents say incites hatred and violates the country's antiracism law. Several towns have outlawed the posters in public spaces, while other cities, like Geneva, have allowed them to be posted as a right of free expression.

"These posters are hateful and shameful," says Hafid Ouardiri, a spokesman for Geneva's Islamic Cultural Center and its mosque. "How can this happen in Switzerland, the cradle of human rights?"
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Critics say the SVP, the largest party in Switzerland's coalition government, has taken advantage of the country's unique brand of direct democracy to push its populist, anti-immigrant agenda on the Swiss electorate. Citizens have the right to propose new laws in Switzerland — the only thing they need to force a nationwide vote on an initiative is a petition of 100,000 signatures. "Right-wing initiatives like the minaret one can misuse the system," says Marcel Stüssi, a lecturer in human-rights law at the University of Lucerne. He says the ban, should it be approved, "would breach not only freedom of belief, expression and conscience," but also other equality and nondiscrimination laws.

The SVP is also notorious for its racially tinged campaigns. Before the 2007 parliamentary elections, the party caused an uproar by creating a poster showing three white sheep kicking a lone black one from their flock to rally support behind a proposal to deport foreigners who have repeatedly been convicted of violent crimes. The initiative has not yet been voted on in a referendum, but the party scored a major victory in the elections that year, winning 29% of the vote.
(Read "Who Decides Who Is Swiss?")


Last year, the SVP proposed another piece of legislation that would give the people, not the government, the final say in naturalization procedures. Its campaign poster depicted five dark-colored hands grabbing a stack of Swiss passports. That initiative was overwhelmingly defeated at the polls, with more than 63% of people voting no.

The question over the construction of minarets first came up in 2007 when Muslims in several Swiss towns sought permission to build the towers, which are used primarily to call Muslims to pray. Residents responded by collecting signatures to block the building plans, claiming the minarets were a symbol of Islamic power and radicalism. The four mosques in the country that already had minarets have tried to minimize their presence — and the potential disruption to neighbors — by not using them for prayer calls.
(See pictures of Muslims in America.)


The SVP has taken the debate a step further, implying that minarets pose a danger to Swiss society by likening them to missiles in the posters. "Everybody understands the message expressed by these posters," SVP member Ulrich Schluehr told the German broadcaster Deutsche Welle in an interview last week. "That's why the opponents of a ban are against the poster and want to forbid it. They want to oppress free discussion — a strength of Switzerland." Ouardiri dismisses the SVP's arguments as "bold-faced lies." "How can an architectural feature like a minaret be perceived as a threat?" he asks.

Many Swiss political parties, churches and human-rights groups are lining up against the referendum, insisting the constitutional freedom of religion must be upheld. A majority of Swiss people are also against the proposal, with 53% saying they would vote against it in a survey conducted by the gfs.berne Polling and Research Institute in late October.

Some analysts say that while the deeper issue of Muslims' assimilation into Swiss society must be addressed, the SVP's confrontational tactics are not the answer. "The dialogue is important because it alleviates fears and suspicion," says Stephane Lathion, president of the Group of Researchers on Islam in Switzerland and author of a book on the minaret debate. "But is provocation the only way to raise this sensitive issue and bring about tangible solutions?"
(Read "Identity Crisis for the Swiss.")


If anything, the missile-shaped minarets have only made many Swiss Muslims feel more alienated in their adopted country, regardless of how the vote goes this month.



Read more: Will Switzerland Vote to Ban Minarets on Mosques? - TIME
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I do not know. Some minarets I saw are very beautiful structures.
I would certainly not want muezzin annoying me with all this yelling though.
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I do not know. Some minarets I saw are very beautiful structures.
I would certainly not want muezzin annoying me with all this yelling though.
There is nothing wrong with minarets, I find them actually very nice BUT I don't know if I think into it that instead of the church bells (which is a landmark of Switzerland) I would hear the müezzin, that would be surely very strange...

On the other hand those posters are very provocative, and are inciting just more fundamentalism thus not helping the Swiss in general, only the political interests of the right wing party.
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Minarets Switzerland...



Could it be that the Muezzins are being confused with the Jodlerins???

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i think muslims should respect the laws of the country they live in.and if they want to change the laws, they should follow DUE PROCESS.

on the other hand the west should ask the saudi regime to allow the building of churches in the gulf area and especially in saudi arabia.


its a big shame that churches are banned in saudi as 1000s of yeras ago they use to flourish along with synagogues, etc.....
this is affecting the way muslims are seen, when they demand SOMETHING FROM THE WEST WHILE DOING THE OPPOSITE IN THEIR RESPECTIVE COUNTRIES.

ps: if i was a swiss national i will support the law, out of fairness, justice and equity to my fellow countrymen. since the ones in the gulf are not allowed to practice their faith, preach OPENLY.
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note: in some cantons the posters in which the minarets look like rockets were banned because they were considered racist.

Unfortunately, here in Geneva we see them in the streets. some are torn away though. Others have graffitti writen on them with words like: 'tolerance, respect...'.

lets see how the vote goes. this is not a ban on 'prayer or mosques' its a ban on specifically the minarets.
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. since the ones in the gulf are not allowed to practice their faith, preach OPENLY.

why are you signaling the Persian gulf countries

leh in what Muslim country can missioners work

aslan what would happen to a Muslim if he converts



and anybody who says that muezzin is nice has obviously not heard one at 5 am .
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There is nothing wrong with minarets, I find them actually very nice BUT I don't know if I think into it that instead of the church bells (which is a landmark of Switzerland) I would hear the müezzin, that would be surely very strange...

On the other hand those posters are very provocative, and are inciting just more fundamentalism thus not helping the Swiss in general, only the political interests of the right wing party.

I get your point about church bells and agree.

Regarding your comment on fundamentalism, I do not think it matters to others. Muslim violence hurts Muslims much more than it does everybody else.
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note: in some cantons the posters in which the minarets look like rockets were banned because they were considered racist.

Unfortunately, here in Geneva we see them in the streets. some are torn away though. Others have graffitti writen on them with words like: 'tolerance, respect...'.

lets see how the vote goes. this is not a ban on 'prayer or mosques' its a ban on specifically the minarets.
I still do not understand what is so bad about minaret if mosque is allowed anyway.

Looks like insecurity to me.
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Minarets Switzerland...



Could it be that the Muezzins are being confused with the Jodlerins???

This is politically not correct and highly manipulative!!!:D Your point only prooves the theory of 1971 law of women's right to vote:D



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i think muslims should respect the laws of the country they live in.and if they want to change the laws, they should follow DUE PROCESS.

on the other hand the west should ask the saudi regime to allow the building of churches in the gulf area and especially in saudi arabia.


its a big shame that churches are banned in saudi as 1000s of yeras ago they use to flourish along with synagogues, etc.....
this is affecting the way muslims are seen, when they demand SOMETHING FROM THE WEST WHILE DOING THE OPPOSITE IN THEIR RESPECTIVE COUNTRIES.

ps: if i was a swiss national i will support the law, out of fairness, justice and equity to my fellow countrymen. since the ones in the gulf are not allowed to practice their faith, preach OPENLY.
Actually there is no law yet banning the building of mosques and minaretes, but since Switzerland is a direct democracy, the result of a referendum vote could change this.

Of course though it is very hypocrate the outrage from those extremists who can see themselves depicted in those posters, since in their original country they do not allow such religious freedom what they are granted here in Europe. /I never understood anyway people who insist wearing burqa why they insist living in Europe, why dont they just stay in KSA????/

It is a whole issue in Europe, religious tolerance...while we live in democracy and we support freedom of expression, there is clearly a frustration between the spread of islam and the traditional christian European societies.


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note: in some cantons the posters in which the minarets look like rockets were banned because they were considered racist.

Unfortunately, here in Geneva we see them in the streets. some are torn away though. Others have graffitti writen on them with words like: 'tolerance, respect...'.

lets see how the vote goes. this is not a ban on 'prayer or mosques' its a ban on specifically the minarets.
It is too bad of course this whole issue is politically abused by the right wing party...however don't you think that at least to certain parts of Switzerland minarets are not fitting?? In which parts do they intend to build anyway, in cities, in the countryside? I mean think into it you are enjoying a typical Swiss landscape (as depicted above:D) with cows and hills and yoodle etc...and suddenly the müezzin would start calling for prayer?? Weird, the least.
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