Will the MOSSAD Assassinate Obama?

[Lévon81]

Originally Posted by proIsrael-nonIsraeli

I have been in Israel. No chaos there. Very beautiful country.

You wont read about the sad state of the Zionist nation in the English language media ,how's your Ashkenazi Yiddish?!

Half of the IDF still goes to therapy effected by the defeat in 2006 Lebanon War.No chaos he says...

[proIsrael-nonIsraeli]

Originally Posted by Lévon81

You wont read about the sad state of the Zionist nation in the English language media ,how's your Ashkenazi Yiddish?!

Half of the IDF still goes to therapy effected by the defeat in 2006 Lebanon War.No chaos he says...

Yiddish, you say? How about Phoenician? How about another dead or dying language?

Anyway, how about actual Yiddish source you referenced? I'll try to read it.

PS. The 'half' of IDF had to go through treatment for being upset they weren't allowed to finish the job.

[Frisbeetarian]

Third, abandoned only in dreams of likes of you.
Fourth, you are assuming your recognition and friendship are important.
Fifth, if YHWH lost tolerance with Jews, as you say, why their enemies always lose?

Not actual errors. But you happen to dissagree with him and turned them into errors.

Third, abandoned only in dreams of likes of you.

How is this an error?

[Lévon81]

Originally Posted by proIsrael-nonIsraeli

Yiddish, you say? How about Phoenician? How about another dead or dying language?

Anyway, how about actual Yiddish source you referenced? I'll try to read it.

PS. The 'half' of IDF had to go through treatment for being upset they weren't allowed to finish the job.

Yiddish is still spoken even in Ukraine, and there are Yiddish speaking communities all around the world, which have been speaking the language for centuries. It's not dead.Ashkenazim tried to erase their own culture and oppress Mizrahi because they want to define themselves as ''Israeli'' .What a paradox! Ashkenazim remained silent against Zionism's erasing identity Misrahi were not.
Mendy Kahan founder of Jung Yiddish, an NPO that runs a Yiddish cultural center in Jerusalem and in Tel Aviv.
JerusalemOnline – Daily Video News from Israel is a weekly news summary from Israel by channel 2 news , in Yiddish.

Interestingly and worryingly enough,you seem to be much more concerned with the question “Who won?” There seems to me to be something very immature, almost childish about this psychological need to say I won, he lost. (IDF DID kill 900 more civilians the Hezbollah so they DID win in that.)
There’s a lot of (false) pride and honor here, traits that in Israel usually equate (with disdain) with the Arabs. But isn’t that what the psychologists say? – that we scorn in others those traits we will not admit in ourselves?

I have to correct my info about 'half' of the IDF had to go through treatment.
It turns out that the real number was three quarters of the IDF, you can read it the Vinograd Committee report.

[SISCO]

Feds disrupt skinhead plot to assassinate Obama

By LARA JAKES JORDAN
Associated Press Writer

Obama Assasination Plot Disrupted

Authorities break up alleged skinhead plot against Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Law enforcement agents have broken up a plot by two neo-Nazi skinheads to assassinate Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama and shoot or decapitate 88 black people, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco Firearms and Explosives said Monday.

In court records unsealed Monday in U.S. District Court in Jackson, Tenn., federal agents said they disrupted plans to rob a gun store and target a predominantly African-American high school in a murder spree that was to begin in Tennessee. Agents said the skinheads did not identify the school by name.

Jim Cavanaugh, special agent in charge of ATF's Nashville field office, said the two men planned to kill 88 people, including 14 African-Americans by beheading. The numbers 88 and 14 are symbolic in the white supremacist community.

The men also sought to go on a national killing spree after the Tennessee murders, with Obama as its final target, Cavanaugh told The Associated Press.

"They said that would be their last, final act - that they would attempt to kill Sen. Obama," Cavanaugh said. "They didn't believe they would be able to do it, but that they would get killed trying."

An Obama spokeswoman traveling with the senator in Pennsylvania had no immediate comment.

The men, Daniel Cowart, 20, of Bells, Tenn., and Paul Schlesselman 18, of Helena-West Helena, Ark., are being held without bond. Agents seized a rifle, a sawed-off shotgun and three pistols from the men when they were arrested. Authorities alleged the two men were preparing to break into a gun shop to steal more.

The two men were arrested Oct. 22 by the Crockett County, Tenn., Sheriff's Office. "Once we arrested the defendants and suspected they had violated federal law, we immediately contacted federal authorities," said Crockett County Sheriff Troy Klyce.

Attorney Joe Byrd, who has been hired to represent Cowart, did not immediately return a call seeking comment Monday. Messages left on two phone numbers listed under Cowart's name were not immediately returned.

No telephone number for Schlesselman in Helena-West Helena could be found immediately.

Cowart and Schlesselman are charged with possessing an unregistered firearm, conspiring to steal firearms from a federally licensed gun dealer, and threatening a candidate for president.

The investigation is continuing, and more charges are possible, Cavanaugh said.

The court records say Cowart and Schlesselman also bought nylon rope and ski masks to use in a robbery or home invasion to fund their spree, during which they allegedly planned to go from state to state and kill people.

For the Obama plot, the legal documents show, Cowart and Schlesselman "planned to drive their vehicle as fast as they could toward Obama shooting at him from the windows."

"Both individuals stated they would dress in all white tuxedos and wear top hats during the assassination attempt," the court complaint states. "Both individuals further stated they knew they would and were willing to die during this attempt."

Cavanaugh said there's no evidence - so far - that others were willing to assist Cowart and Schlesselman with the plot.

He said authorities took the threats very seriously.

"They seemed determined to do it," Cavanaugh said. "Even if they were just to try it, it would be a trail of tears around the South."

The court documents say the two men met about a month ago on the Internet and found common ground in their shared "white power" and "skinhead" philosophy.

The numbers 14 and 88 are symbols in skinhead culture, referring to a 14-word phrase attributed to an imprisoned white supremacist: "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children" and to the eighth letter of the alphabet, H. Two "8"s or "H"s stand for "Heil Hitler."

Helena-West Helena, on the Mississippi River in east Arkansas' Delta, is in one of the nation's poorest regions, trailing even parts of Appalachia in its standard of living. Police Chief Fred Fielder said he had never heard of Schlesselman.

However, the reported threat of attacking a school filled with black students worried Fielder. Helena-West Helena, with a population of 12,200, is 66 percent black. "Predominantly black school, take your pick," he said.

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Associated Press writers Erik Schelzig in Nashville, Tenn., and Jon Gambrell in Little Rock, Ark., contributed to this report.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...MPLATE=DEFAULT

[Rainywinter]

taifoon, I said it before and I'll say it again - in here, at least, the term Zionist/Zionism does no longer have much of a role in terms of self definition, probably because the term was mainly used pre the foundation of Israel and nearby, with emphasis on the belief of the foundation of Israel, along with it being a Jewish oriented country. The definition of Zionism\Zionist is a bit too complex and some parts of it are no longer relevant as they were 60 years ago. It always feels a bit weird when someone raises that term as if it has much merit.

I'm not a religious person, and my perspective on this is not very religious. However, looking at the past & history, and examining what's the right thing to do overall - Israel has to be a (democratic) country with a Jewish identity.
Why? That's a very complicated question that needs a very complex answer.
I'm not sure I can answer it flawlessly or close to that, but I can try raising several aspects:

- The fact is, that Israel exists, and the only factual country that exists with the ability to serve as a Jewish country is Israel.
- Some people don't really like the idea of religions or so much, but people have to right to live their lives the way they want. Much like many other religions and\or large group of people who share the same culture or so much, it is necessary that such religion will have some sort backbone. Why?

This has, imo, two major reasons (and could be more):
1) I suppose we can agree that, according to the history, the lack of such puts the religion\group of people in a very risky place - as that group of people are basically considered outcasts - especially when they sometimes need to be able to live religiously (like, drinking infant blood ), in a suitable environment with no constant fear of being disrespected or being defiled. Also, there is some place that will serve has the home and heart of that religion - somewhere always reliable in case of whatever trouble, especially when you're not welcome somewhere.

2) Why even have any country? Many cultures\religions like Muslims, Christians, Hindu and so forth (or in other cases of countries it is shown as shared cultural vision or ethnicity) live under a certain set of rules that were defined by religion \ culture and what derives from that. True, many countries\religions\cultures are enforcing rules that are discriminative against some "group" of people merely because they were born in the wrong sex, or have some kind of born deviation which was not theirs to choose, or even have different beliefs or religion than theirs. Nevertheless, if that "group" of people who has the same ideology wish to to live by this set of rules, they should have a place where they can mind their own business.
Denying that, would basically mean denying the existence of any country out there who also merges some religious elements in their system, and that's kind of unrealistic if you ask me. Of course that by my standards and many other people's standards this is wrong - but we are not to tell these people how to live their lives, just as much as they shouldn't be telling me not to live it liberally. Unfortunately, some people in this world don't live in a liberal countries such as Israel or USA, and if they wish to live more freely, they basically have to turn their lives, but it's possible.

Let's be real for a moment. Israel is not a religious country all the way or even close to that. It's a democratic western country that does not discriminate civilians by law no matter their sex, race, culture, ethnicity, religion, orientation, and so forth. (maybe except few laws that help preserving Israel as a Jewish state) No doubt USA have had a huge influential role here.

The reason I think Israel should be a Jewish country is not racist nor religious. I don't think Israel should be a country with a Jewish identity because of religious motives, and I myself wouldn't have any problem living in a country that's not a Jewish oriented country but rather a totally liberal one, but I and many other people understand Israel's necessity and vitality for the Jews.

Was it right that Israel was founded on this piece of land? The world said yes (for the most part of it). Is this debate very relevant to our current situation? Probably very much no, as no one would expect Israel to copy paste itself somewhere else, as it's not practical, and arguing about it would probably lead us to nowhere.

Sorry for the huge *** text. Just slipped.

Yes, yes... wall of text ftl.

[proIsrael-nonIsraeli]

Originally Posted by Lévon81

Yiddish is still spoken even in Ukraine, and there are Yiddish speaking communities all around the world, which have been speaking the language for centuries. It's not dead.Ashkenazim tried to erase their own culture and oppress Mizrahi because they want to define themselves as ''Israeli'' .What a paradox! Ashkenazim remained silent against Zionism's erasing identity Misrahi were not.
Mendy Kahan founder of Jung Yiddish, an NPO that runs a Yiddish cultural center in Jerusalem and in Tel Aviv.
JerusalemOnline – Daily Video News from Israel is a weekly news summary from Israel by channel 2 news , in Yiddish.

Interestingly and worryingly enough,you seem to be much more concerned with the question “Who won?” There seems to me to be something very immature, almost childish about this psychological need to say I won, he lost. (IDF DID kill 900 more civilians the Hezbollah so they DID win in that.)
There’s a lot of (false) pride and honor here, traits that in Israel usually equate (with disdain) with the Arabs. But isn’t that what the psychologists say? – that we scorn in others those traits we will not admit in ourselves?

I have to correct my info about 'half' of the IDF had to go through treatment.
It turns out that the real number was three quarters of the IDF, you can read it the Vinograd Committee report.

I did not say Yiddish is dead. I said Yiddish is dying.
Number of people who speak it is diminishing. It is regretable but it is fact. Number of people who speak Hebrew is growing. As it should.
I advise you do not concentrate on Yiddish sources too much. They do not represent reality.

Your link is to "today's" news. I suspect, it is no longer showing what you thought it would.

PS. I am not concerned with question of 'who won', not any more. You just want me to be. It is not the same. Divine victory is all yours.

[proIsrael-nonIsraeli]

Just noticed.
Tell me what is wrong with this picture?:

Originally Posted by Lévon81

Interestingly and worryingly enough,you seem to be much more concerned with the question “Who won?” There seems to me to be something very immature, almost childish about this psychological need to say I won, he lost. (IDF DID kill 900 more civilians the Hezbollah so they DID win in that.)
There’s a lot of (false) pride and honor here, traits that in Israel usually equate (with disdain) with the Arabs. But isn’t that what the psychologists say? – that we scorn in others those traits we will not admit in ourselves?

[Dalzi]

The man is not 'loved'. Everyone wants a piece...

US stops Barack Obama assassination attempt



Two white supremacists have been charged with threatening to kill Democrat Barack Obama during a "killing spree" of some 100 African-Americans, officials said on Monday.

The two men planned to kill some 88 people and decapitate 14 African-Americans, before in a final act assassinating Obama, bidding to be the country's first black president, court documents revealed.

The men, Daniel Cowart, 20, of Bells, Tennessee, and Paul Schlesselman, 18, of Helena-West Helena, Arkansas, are being held in custody.

The pair were arrested last Wednesday in Tennessee on possession of firearms, threats against a candidate running for president and conspiring to rob a gun store, the Department of Justice said.

The men began "discussing going on a 'killing spree' that included killing 88 people and beheading 14 African Americans", Brian Weaks, an agent with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives told a Memphis court today.

"They further stated that their final act of violence would be to attempt to kill/assassinate presidential candidate Barack Obama,'' he added, as the two men appeared before the federal court.

The Obama campaign declined to comment on the case.

Cowart, from Bells, Tennessee, and Schlesselman, from Arkansas, met via the internet a month ago and have "very strong beliefs and views regarding 'White Power' and 'Skinhead' views", Weaks told the court.

Cowart had bought one rifle and stockpiled two handguns, both stolen from his grandfather. Schlesselman also had a short-barrelled shotgun and a revolver which he said he had taken from his father without permission.

The pair planned to steal another high-powered rifle from a gun store in Jackson, Tennessee, as well as a series of robberies to finance their bloody plan.

"Schlesselman stated that they planned to drive their vehicles as fast as they could toward Obama shooting at him from the windows," Weaks said.

"Both individuals stated they would dress in all white tuxedos and wear top hats during the assassination attempt. Both individuals further stated they knew they would and were willing to die during this attempt."

Acting US Attorney for western district of Tennessee, Lawrence Laurenzi, said: "The allegations set forth in this criminal complaint are serious and will be treated as such.

"The public can rest assured that federal, state, and local law enforcement are diligently working together to investigate and prosecute the alleged activity," he added in a statement.

The two men will appear back in the Memphis federal court on Thursday.
Obama is already under secret service protection having received it much earlier in the campaign than any other presidential candidate.

In late August, it was revealed three men were arrested with a weapons cache in Denver, Colorado where the party convention was being held.

US lawyers later said there had been no credible threat against Obama.

The Memphis court was told that just before their arrest Cowart and Schlesselman had bought food, nylon rope and ski masks.

They also shot out the window of a local church in Brownsville, Tennessee, before driving back to Cowart's grandfather's home where they chalked racist words and symbols, including a Swastika and the numbers 14 and 88 onto the hood of Cowart's car, before being arrested.

Helena-West Helena, on the Mississippi River in east Arkansas' Delta, is in one of the nation's poorest regions.

Police Chief Fred Fielder said he had never heard of Schlesselman.

However, the reported threat of attacking a school filled with black students worried Fielder. Helena-West Helena, with a population of 12,200, is 66 per cent black.

"Predominantly black school, take your pick," he said.

smh
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The "white supremacy" disease.

[Lévon81]

Originally Posted by proIsrael-nonIsraeli

Just noticed.
Tell me what is wrong with this picture?:

Nothing!