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[AlGhaliboon]

One more thing, it seems that some people are trying to insinuate that I am denying the genocide, and am defending the Turks and Azerbaijanis. I am not doing any of that. I do sympathize with the Armenians on the issue of the genocide, and am interested in learning more about it, and the denial by Turkey is wrong (plus the fact that I disagree with Turkey's political choices in the region), and I am not saying Armenians had no right to self-determination in Nagorny-Karabakh; I am saying that Armenians should be more open to discussing ALL planned and deliberate human rights violations, not just ones perpetrated against them. Deliberate killing of civilians is wrong, whoever they are, be they "israelis" or americans. No matter how much I hate america, I say 9/11 was wrong, a crime against humanity, just like what america is doing to our people is wrong and immoral and criminal.

[KevKaz]

. And you want us to accept that as "part of war"? By the same token, civilians die in war, and there was war in 1915???? Isn't that what the Turks say?!??
please read my 1st reply, and u will have the answer, it seems you have a problem in reading articles and understanding them.

2nd, i never said we have the right to do anything we want bcuz there was the armenians genocide, of course not. you are reading from a once side book, Al jazeera put a program about this war, and it had 2 parts, armenian side history and azeris side history. that is the right thing to do.

3rd, i admit we have lands taken from Azerbaijan, during the war, after we won and got our lands back, they lost, and left their lands and we got further. and we all know that thing is used in the negotiations after that. hmmm we forgot why hizbollah kidnapped the soldier? yes for negotiation. my friend, we have 130 000 Km2 ===> lebanon X 13 , in the hands of the turks. Highest mountain in turkey, Ararad( armenian), Biggest lake, Van (armenian), ...

How can you ask for an apology for somethin that happened in azerbaidjan, and you dont ask for an apology for a pre planned genocide whos aim was to delete armenia from the world.

[GeaGea SkyWalkeR]

Originally Posted by AlGhaliboon

One more thing, it seems that some people are trying to insinuate that I am denying the genocide, and am defending the Turks and Azerbaijanis. I am not doing any of that. I do sympathize with the Armenians on the issue of the genocide, and am interested in learning more about it, and the denial by Turkey is wrong (plus the fact that I disagree with Turkey's political choices in the region), and I am not saying Armenians had no right to self-determination in Nagorny-Karabakh; I am saying that Armenians should be more open to discussing ALL planned and deliberate human rights violations, not just ones perpetrated against them. Deliberate killing of civilians is wrong, whoever they are, be they "israelis" or americans. No matter how much I hate america, I say 9/11 was wrong, a crime against humanity, just like what america is doing to our people is wrong and immoral and criminal.

For once someone came out with it, I fully 100% second you call,

According to LEBARMINIA the killings in Serbia , Bosnia and kosovo were fair cause it was war, But WOW WOW STEP BACK when you talk about turks and arminians, I got the impression i should only feel for the arminians and no other race.

[KevKaz]

هل هو الاستياء من دور تركيا ورغبة أرمينيا في أن تحلّ مكانها؟
hehe, never my friend. WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO GO INTO A WAR FOR OUR LANDS. THIS IS A RIGHT WRITTEN IN THE UN LAWS. pls read them once

Others have the right to go into a war for kidnapped ppl and we dont have the right to go into a war for our lands?

LET ISRAEL GET THE SOUTH BACK, WONT WE GO INTO A WAR W ISRAEL AGAIN? ISNT THAT OUR RIGHT? DIDNT HEZBOLLAH USE THE UN LAWS TO SAY THAT THEY HAD D RIGHT TO KIDNAP D ISREALI SOLDIERS?

[AlGhaliboon]

So, Al Jazeera put both sides of the Azerbaijani war, does that mean that it can also put "both sides" of the genocide? Since there are two differing/opposing sides and claims.... the Turks are saying exactly this, let us talk about it, discuss it, see our side too... does that make it right to do it? Would you not be insulted by it???? (Note: I am NOT advocating this!!!)

So you occupy territories, claim the inhabitants "left" (isn't that what the "israelis" say about the Palestinians? yeah there was no ETHNIC CLEANSING, they just "left" because they are "not attached to the land").... !!! and use territories to negotiate... negotiate what? Isn't that what the "israelis" tried to do in 1982-1983 , trying to impose a peace agreement by occupying territories???! Don't you know what happened to that effort? Don;t you know YOUR COUNTRY's (LEBANON) history? ??

Ba3dein, iza hal 2adde mehtammin bil 2ard, halla2 3endkon armenia, lesh ma betroo7oo t3ishoo honik iza hal 2adde bt7ebboo Armenia ?? Don't misunderstand me, I am not saying you SHOULD leave, bas baddi efham lesh..

[Picasso]

Originally Posted by KevKaz

please read my 1st reply, and u will have the answer, it seems you have a problem in reading articles and understanding them.

بدأتَ تفقد أعصابك هنا وتتحول إلى عثماني

my friend, we have 130 000 Km2 ===> lebanon X 13 , in the hands of the turks. Highest mountain in turkey, Ararad( armenian), Biggest lake, Van (armenian), ...

Armenia should be 160 000 Km2 by the treaty of Sevre signed by Turkey , USA and Armenia, and now Armenia is 30 000Km2

إذن، علينا أن نتوقع حروباً إلى أبد الآبدين
عليكم أن "تسترجعوا" 130000 ك2 ، في كم مجزرة وإبادة ستحققون ذلك؟

How can you ask for an apology for somethin that happened in azerbaidjan

طبعاً لا يمكنك، لأنك الضحية دوماً حتى ولو كنتَ جلاّداً
يجب أن تحصل الجريمة في أرمينيا كي تستحق الحديث عنها والمطالبة بالاعتذار، أما إذا وقعت على الآذريين فلا

[KevKaz]

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well my friend, presnt armenians living in armenia now didnt see any genocide, armenians outside armenia now are the armenians who saw the genocide, and our lands are taken by turkey. so u tell me pls, can u agree for us goin in leaving in armenia now? won't that give turkey a plus in saying that armenians are not askin for their lands anymore?

and another thing, we have no problem is discussing about the genocide. we are open for it. But after all the countries who acknowledged the genocide, isnt it the time for turkey to do so too?

[Picasso]

we have no problem

ضع العلم اللبناني في صورتك الشخصية كي يصح ما قلتَه سابقاً عن أولية انتمائك الوطني للبنان
كي نعرف لمن تعود هذه الـ: نحن

أما والعلم الأرميني هو الذي اخترت كي تعرّف عن نفسك
فذلك يدلّ على أولويات أرمنية لديك ولبنان ثانياً

can u agree for us goin in leaving in armenia now? won't that give turkey a plus in saying that armenians are not askin for their lands anymore?

وتريدون "استعادة" 130000 ك2 انطلاقاً من لبنان؟
معنى كلامك: سنترك لبنان ونعود إلى أرمينيا ما أن تعود المساحات الباقية
هذا يعني أن لبنان، عندكم، وطن مؤقت

[KevKaz]

ANA LEBNANI MY FRIEND, DONT BRING THAT BACK AGAIN, WE ALWAYS PUT LEBANON AWALLAN. Please give a small visit to our offices in Bourdj Hammoud, and you'll see all the lebanese flags.
We always worked for lebanon, and as i told u b4, we were d only ones who put a law during the war forbidding leaving lebanon. we did this for armenia? or for lebanon that we love?

as for my display picture, when i put armenian flag, that doesnt mean i have lebanon 2nd in my mind. This flag is to show im from armenian origin, and will never forget my origin

[montmartre]

it may be difficult for you to understand this, but i will say it in the clearest way possible:

I am 100% an Armenian.

I am 100% a Lebanese.

Most of the times it's not easy to have a dual identity. But if I could change my identities, I wouldn't change anything about them.

I'm proud to be a Lebanese Armenian, even if that means that I'm 200% a human being.