Turkey

[AlGhaliboon]

Originally Posted by Picasso

اللبنانيون الأرمن في رفضهم القوات التركية تصرفوا ضد المصالح العليا للدولة اللبنانية

المصالح العليا للدولة اللبنانية لا تكمن في القبول بقوة من قوى حلف الشمال الأطلسي والتي لديها تحالفات عسكرية مع دولة عدوّة.ا

[Youchka]

Originally Posted by Picasso

blossom

بتعرف ألمانيا عندا تاريخ نازي كان لازم نرفض القوات الألمانية باليونيفيل المعززة، وايطاليا عندا تاريخ فاشي كمان لازم نعمل نفس الشي. اوروبا كلها لها تاريخ استعماري كمان لازم نقاطع الاوروبيين

واللا القصة مع الآرمن - مع حزننا لما حصل لهم – انو اذا حدا قرّب من ستو وجدو بدنا نقاطعو واذا قرّب من ناس ما قرايب ولا جيران ما خصنا

اللبنانيون الأرمن في رفضهم القوات التركية تصرفوا ضد المصالح العليا للدولة اللبنانية

The difference between Germany or Italy is that both countries have actually admitted their massacres and have been paying ther duties ever since. Turkey not only didn;t pay anything, but still doesnt admit those massacres. This is what people want, that they admit and ask for forgiveness. If this is not etsablished, these people who have suffered so much can not move forward.

[vegojimbo]

Originally Posted by Picasso

اللبنانيون الأرمن في رفضهم القوات التركية تصرفوا ضد المصالح العليا للدولة اللبنانية

so now bringing the turks to Lebanon is the highest national interest? what?

what would some 500 turkish soldiers even do to the Unifil?
So a Unifil with 500 less soldiers would be incapable of doing its job in the south?

come on. if u had the slighest respect to the lebanese armenians in lebanon, u would have at least taken their feelings about Turkey in consideration.

but i don't think u have respect to those ppl, now do u?

[vegojimbo]

Originally Posted by Picasso

blossom

تتحدث عن المجازر والإبادة الجماعية؟

الولايات المتحدة ألقت قنبلتين نوويتين على هيروشيما وناكازاكي في اليابان، وبعد الحرب استفادت اليابان من مشروع مارشال وأصبح لها اليوم علاقات ممتازة مع الولايات المتحدة

وبسبب هذه الخيارات التي اتخذتها فإن اليابان هي، اليوم، في المرتبة الثانية اقتصادياً على مستوى العالم، وشعبها يعيش في رخاء ورفاهية. كذلك، تتكفل الولايات المتحدة بحمايتها عسكرياً

لولا هذه الخيارات لكانت اليابان اليوم أسوأ من كوريا الشمالية
هذا لا يعني أن اليابانيين تناسَوْا تاريخهم، بل إنهم يُحيون، سنوياً، ذكرى الجريمة النووية في حقهم، لكنهم، مع ذلك، يتطلعون إلى الغد ولذلك هم ناجحون

u seem to forget that in order for u to forgive, at least the ppl who wronged u should apologise and admit their wrong-doing.

So now, did Turkey admit the existance of such genocide? NO
did they apologise to Armenians? NO.

so, now the armenians, must have a very big heart to forgive the turks for killing millions of them wgile the turkish gov still call the genocide an armenian fabrication and accuse the armenians of faking it.

the germans would have never been forgiven if they haven't admitted the jewish genocide (although the numbers are much exagerated but that's a topic for another thread).

For the relations between Armenia and Turkey to patch up, the turks should acknowledge the existance of the genocide to begin with.

[AlGhaliboon]

vegojimbo ,

Maybe the Armenians should also apologize to the Azerbaijanis then, and then we can talk. Fair enough, no?

[LebArmenian]

Originally Posted by AlGhaliboon

vegojimbo ,

Maybe the Armenians should also apologize to the Azerbaijanis then, and then we can talk. Fair enough, no?

we are securing our existance and liberating our lands from the occupiers . what should we appologise for ?

+ dont take it in a sectarian way please .. i mean , even Iran supported the armenians of karabakh against the azerbaijani occupying forces .

[AlGhaliboon]

we are securing our existance and liberating our lands from the occupiers . what should we appologise for ?

Does being a minority mean the majority is the occupier? What if the minority is the one doing the occupation? By that token the Arabs are occupying "israeli" land and all the "israelis" are doing are securing their existence and liberating "their" lands from the occupiers? What about the massacres against the Azerbaijanis? How does that go under the self-defense and the liberation of "your" land?

It has nothing to do with sectarianism, but you are using double standards.
And Iran did not support the Armenians against the Azerbaijanis, they did not wish the conflict to spill over, so they did not intervene. Big difference.

[blossom]

Originally Posted by AlGhaliboon

vegojimbo ,

Maybe the Armenians should also apologize to the Azerbaijanis then, and then we can talk. Fair enough, no?

Armenia and azerbeijan two countries that have a dispute over a land area. each of them claiming the land to be theirs BUT Turkey did ethnic cleansing against the armenians... this is defferent no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

do not give the issue a secterian boundries.

its Armenians versus Turks.
and remember that Lebanese Armenians are after all Lebanese whereas Turks are turkish and Azeris are azeris (very different from the concept of being muslim)

[vegojimbo]

Originally Posted by AlGhaliboon

vegojimbo ,

Maybe the Armenians should also apologize to the Azerbaijanis then, and then we can talk. Fair enough, no?

so the armenians can't demand justice in the genocide by the turks unless they apologise to the azerbijians? really?

So, i will say this: following ur logic, Syria can't demand the return of Golan until it apologises to all the lebanese for all it did during the past 30 years.

u see? the liberation of Golan has nothing to do with lebanon just like the azerbijian matter has nothing to do with the armenian genocide. So, now why don't u tell the syrians they can't demand the return of Golan unless they apologise to me and every other Lebanese just like u said that the armenians can't demand their right towards the turks unless they apologise to the azerbijians?

[AlGhaliboon]

Armenia and azerbeijan two countries that have a dispute over a land area. each of them claiming the land to be theirs BUT Turkey did ethnic cleansing against the armenians... this is defferent no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well my friend, the Turks say it was also a land dispute, and yes the areas occupied by the Armenians were ethnically cleansed of Azerbaijanis. And there was NO Armenian presence on MOST of these lands (outside Nagorny-Karabakh). Now 20% of Azerbaijan is occupied.