Terror in Mumbai: India under attack

[tsedek]

Sorry, all 'stories' above are halucinations and 'wishful thinking' - It is now clear that the terrorists rented rooms in the Habad house several months ago to make it purposely one of the targets.

[Xguy]

Originally Posted by tsedek

Sorry, all 'stories' above are halucinations and 'wishful thinking' - It is now clear that the terrorists rented rooms in the Habad house several months ago to make it purposely one of the targets.

I thought they jumped of the dingy's, hmm ok so they had agents rent rooms for them in a jewish joint? , so what does that prove may I ask? didn't you just made your case worst?

[tsedek]

not at all. no idea how you come to such a conclusion. it proves b.t.w. that they intended to attack a jewish institution. it also proves their cold-bloodiness. when will people get out of the automatic denial mode? when a certain group of people behaves like beasts - what is it that make other people want to defend them by throwing the suspicion on the victims?

[Xguy]

No one is deffending those beasts which infact they are, the question though remains, who hired them, I don't care nationality they are , money buys anything, so since you seem to be convinced and at rest with this whole story can you answer a few questions that are still boggling my mind?

1- what was the objective of that attack, and I will tell you why this one boggles my mind, first they attack a hotel or a center or whatever and they take a bunch of peopl hostages right? ok great what are their demands? nothing zilch, you might argue this point by saying the objective was terror, and as the investigation claims so far they were supposed to kill as many as 5000 people, right? so why didn't they, why did they stop and let hostages go out and then get killed, if the objective was really teror they would be throwing headless people out of the balconies that's what I call terror, not lettting go sit there waiting to die, sounds like a stupid plan for such a sophiticated attack as described by the media.

2- the photos of the only surviving "terrorist" where been displayed since day 2 of the incident in many different poses and what a coincidence it happened to be the only surviving attackers, why are there not any other video security cameras or even stills, of the others , I tell you why, because sophisticated attackers will aim to destroy those cameras first before proceeding, it's only that one dumbazz (supposetly) was dumb enough not to destroy the cameras (sure) and displayed himself waltzing around in front of the cameras, yet been the dumbazz he is, he was smart enough to manage to survive, don't you find this bizarre? please answer honestly,
3- and last is the point you added "It is now clear that the terrorists rented rooms in the shabad house several months ago to make it purposely one of the targets" how could muslim people get away with renting room in a shabad house without been suspected of anything , can you explain that one?

and don't any of this as sarcasm I"m really trying to digest this, that is all

thanks

[lebanesecanadian]

Something to use when dreaming up conspiracy theories about the "joos" as A4L calls them in this thread:

Mumbai attacks: Jews tortured before being executed during hostage crisis

Israeli hostages killed by Islamic terrorists during the attacks on Mumbai (formerly Bombay) were tortured by their captors before they were bound together and killed, according to officials in both countries.



By Damien McElroy in Bombay
Last Updated: 7:52AM GMT 02 Dec 2008

; NEWS GENERIC ST_UIP http://www.brightcove.com/channel.js...nel=1139053637

Jewish victims made up a disproportionate number of the foreigners killed after 10 Muslim fanatics stormed a series of sites in the Indian financial capital.
Members of the beleaguered Jewish community in Mumbai gathered at a crumbling synagogue for a memorial for Rabbi Gavriel Holtzberg and his wife Rivka, who ran the cultural centre targeted by the Deccan Mujahideen.
The couple's son, Moshe survived after his nanny, Sandra Samuel escaped with him in her arms 10 hours after the hostage incident started. The child cried "Ima" and "Dada," or mummy and daddy, as the service began.
Moshe's grandparents have arrived from Israel to take the orphaned boy home and there is intense pressure to grant Miss Samuel a visa by declaring her righteous among the gentiles.
Two countries have posted officials at the JJ Hospital morgue but there are at least twice as many Israeli disaster specialists as British consuls representing the former colonial power.
Israeli officials confirmed six Jews were dead but the figure is likely to rise to eight. The total number of foreigners killed in the attacks stands at 22.
A forensic team arrived on a specially chartered flight on Sunday night. "There are still a few yet to be identified – not a lot, under five – and this is why we need the forensic team," an Israeli diplomat said. "And there are two or three Israelis unaccounted for and we have a couple of bodies that could be them."
Doctors expressed horror at the condition of the bodies recovered from the Nariman Building, which housed the Orthodox Chabad-Lubavitch retreat.
"I have seen so many dead bodies in my life, and was traumatised," a mortician said. "It was apparent that most of the dead were tortured. What shocked me were the telltale signs showing clearly how the hostages were executed in cold blood."
The group that stormed Bombay's most famous institutions displayed unrestrained brutality throughout the mission. The captain of a fishing trawler hijacked by the group in Arabian Sea was found with his throat cut.
Police said 17 victims were pushed against a wall in the corridor of the Oberoi hotel and executed in a line.
One man who served a glass of water to a terrorist at Bombay's main railway station was shot in the forehead.

[tsedek]

Originally Posted by Xguy

No one is deffending those beasts which infact they are, the question though remains, who hired them, I don't care nationality they are , money buys anything, so since you seem to be convinced and at rest with this whole story can you answer a few questions that are still boggling my mind?

1- what was the objective of that attack, and I will tell you why this one boggles my mind, first they attack a hotel or a center or whatever and they take a bunch of peopl hostages right? ok great what are their demands? nothing zilch, you might argue this point by saying the objective was terror, and as the investigation claims so far they were supposed to kill as many as 5000 people, right? so why didn't they, why did they stop and let hostages go out and then get killed, if the objective was really teror they would be throwing headless people out of the balconies that's what I call terror, not lettting go sit there waiting to die, sounds like a stupid plan for such a sophiticated attack as described by the media.

2- the photos of the only surviving "terrorist" where been displayed since day 2 of the incident in many different poses and what a coincidence it happened to be the only surviving attackers, why are there not any other video security cameras or even stills, of the others , I tell you why, because sophisticated attackers will aim to destroy those cameras first before proceeding, it's only that one dumbazz (supposetly) was dumb enough not to destroy the cameras (sure) and displayed himself waltzing around in front of the cameras, yet been the dumbazz he is, he was smart enough to manage to survive, don't you find this bizarre? please answer honestly,
3- and last is the point you added "It is now clear that the terrorists rented rooms in the shabad house several months ago to make it purposely one of the targets" how could muslim people get away with renting room in a shabad house without been suspected of anything , can you explain that one?

and don't any of this as sarcasm I"m really trying to digest this, that is all

thanks

X-guy, you really expect any logic in a group of people that are out to kill other people? You talk about muslims and jews in India. I give you an article and then let you decide:

BBC NEWS | South Asia | Tense times for Mumbai's Jews

"Despite differences elsewhere, the Jewish community here is close to Muslims, closer than to Hindus, and has traditionally lived in Muslim-dominated neighbourhoods like Byculla and Dongri, and shared business ties. The majority of students in Jewish-run schools in Mumbai are Muslims because they are located in Muslim-dominated neighbourhoods. [...] "We are not a part of the Middle Eastern animosity between the two communities. We are far away from all that. "

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by TripolySunni

first of all some rules of jihad

1. one shouldnt attack children or women
2. one shouldnt kill their religious leaders
3. one shouldnt kill someone not related to the war

Interestingly enough after watching the coverage on the news that the pics show one "terrorist" with a "rakhee" on his right hand. Now, I don't know about you, but any "extremist" who hates hindus would not be wearing a rakhee on his wrist!

This smells of a set up. The world is depressed about the economy so what do they do to divert attention? Yep you guessed it, that old chestnut; terror attacks! now, they're even warning New Yorkers about impending subway attacks.
Altough a muslim would intentionaly wear a "Rakhi" on his wrist in order to hide his identety if he is up to no good.

instantly its called indias 911.
Again they blame Islam in general islam for this without enough proof.



Deccan Mujahideen --

"A lot of people in Andhra Pardesh, more specifically Hyderabad, are saying that this group is just a front to shed more light on the issues that go on in Hyderabad on a daily bases.... try to bring it to the international spotlight"
siasat.com

O ye who believe ! if an unrighteous person brings you any news, investigate it fully, lest you harm a people in ignorance, and then you repent of what you did. (Noble Qur'an 49:6)


The games they play...

They plan, but Allah is the best of all planners.

Talmud type jihad. Same old, serving one master in the White House. They've never hit an Israeli target. All their targets are tourists and innocent people. Why? To smother the name of Islam with dirt and create hatred, which is what is happening. The same thing happened in Lebanon, they were chanting "we are the deffenders of the Sunnis" (for a purpose), while their first target were the Sunni Lebanese soldiers.

What benefit does this bring to Islam? ZERO, only harm.
What benefit does this bring to the enemies? Go figure!

Anyway, as you said, "wa yamkuroun wa yamkurullah, wallah khairu lmakirin". Give it some time...

[Xguy]

Originally Posted by tsedek

X-guy, you really expect any logic in a group of people that are out to kill other people? You talk about muslims and jews in India. I give you an article and then let you decide:

BBC NEWS | South Asia | Tense times for Mumbai's Jews

"Despite differences elsewhere, the Jewish community here is close to Muslims, closer than to Hindus, and has traditionally lived in Muslim-dominated neighbourhoods like Byculla and Dongri, and shared business ties. The majority of students in Jewish-run schools in Mumbai are Muslims because they are located in Muslim-dominated neighbourhoods. [...] "We are not a part of the Middle Eastern animosity between the two communities. We are far away from all that. "

You are misunderstanding my point, I am not disputing their logic, I am disputing those who are trying to convince me that these guys are sophisticated in one hand while they are idiots with no objective in the other, whatever is convenient for the the story to be put together, I am also disputing the reality of the only surviving attackers, I guess you answered number 3 by quoting that article, fine I give you that.

[UNITED_LEBANON]

Originally Posted by Xguy

1- what was the objective of that attack, and I will tell you why this one boggles my mind, first they attack a hotel or a center or whatever and they take a bunch of peopl hostages right? ok great what are their demands? nothing zilch, you might argue this point by saying the objective was terror, and as the investigation claims so far they were supposed to kill as many as 5000 people, right? so why didn't they, why did they stop and let hostages go out and then get killed, if the objective was really teror they would be throwing headless people out of the balconies that's what I call terror, not lettting go sit there waiting to die, sounds like a stupid plan for such a sophiticated attack as described by the media.

This is precisely what i was discussing with someone the other day. I don't understand how such a well planned and spectacular operation presumably aimed at British-Americans-Israelis could end up with dozens of dead local Indians(wats the point of killing these people) and dozens of British-American hostages being released(why did they let them go?).

It just boggles the mind.

[Aoun4lebanon]

Originally Posted by UNITED_LEBANON

This is precisely what i was discussing with someone the other day. I don't understand how such a well planned and spectacular operation presumably aimed at British-Americans-Israelis could end up with dozens of dead local Indians(wats the point of killing these people) and dozens of British-American hostages being released(why did they let them go?).

It just boggles the mind.

Their is no smoke without fire... Lets see what comes after this first attempt incident. Based on the news coming in the past few days. I heard Condi Riz was in India asking Pakistan for further cooperation, ie directly accusing Pakistan. I also heard today that their was another explosion or terrorist act in India. The more of these explosions happen in india the more the tension rises for war btw these two countries and maybe thats the whole objective