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Default Terror in Mumbai: India under attack - 27th November 2008

A terrorist onslaught of stunning scope and horror

Nov 27th 2008
From The Economist




THE sheer scale and audacity of the assault were staggering. Gangs of well-armed youths attacked two luxury hotels, a restaurant, a railway station and at least one hospital. Gunfire and explosions rang through Mumbai overnight on November 26th-27th and through the next morning. As The Economist went to press, more than 100 people were reported to have been killed, and the toll seemed likely to rise. Several foreigners, including some from America, Japan and Britain, were among the dead. So were over a dozen policemen, including Mumbai’s chief counter-terrorism officer. Up to 100 hostages, including selected American and British guests, were alleged to be held hostage inside a hotel.

Even in a city—and country—with a grim record of terrorist violence, these were extraordinary scenes. The attacks started at around 10.30pm on November 27th, when gunmen started shooting and throwing grenades at Mumbai’s main Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus railway station. Television footage showed two men shooting at random as they drove through nearby streets in a stolen police jeep.

Around the same time, a bomb was reported to have exploded in a taxi parked near the city’s main airport. More or less simultaneously, gunmen speaking Hindi and Urdu, the language of many north-Indian Muslims and of neighbouring Pakistan, stormed two hotels—the Taj Mahal and the Trident Oberoi—and Café Leopold, a restaurant popular with tourists. Police outside the Taj Mahal, India’s most famous hotel, lapped by the Arabian Sea, said gunmen arrived there by inflatable dinghy. In the early hours, a gunfight erupted on Marine Drive, the scenic coastal road seen in so many Bollywood films, in which another Mumbai police chief was killed.

As dawn broke, flames were rising from the domed roof of the Taj Mahal. Navy and army commandos, who had retaken the hotel’s lower floors and killed two terrorists, reported bodies in many rooms and perhaps half a dozen terrorists still living. A trickle of terrified employees and guests, some with gunshot wounds, continued to flee the building. One fugitive, Amit, a hotel-restaurant manager, said his chef had been hit by three bullets and many colleagues remained inside. A few badly injured survivors were wheeled from the hotel on brass luggage-trolleys. By midday on November 28th most of the hostages were reported to have been released from the hotel, although there were reports of further shooting.

Meanwhile at the nearby Trident Oberoi, as many as 100 hostages were reported still to be held. Gunfire and explosions were reported from the upper storeys of the building.

There seemed little doubt that the attackers were Muslim militants of some description, but their exact provenance was unclear. Responsibility was claimed by a previously little-known group called the Deccan Mujahideen. Speaking to Indian television by telephone, a gunman holding hostages in the Trident Oberoi demanded that Muslim prisoners, including those captured in Kashmir, should be released from Indian jails. “Release all the mujahideens, and Muslims living in India should not be troubled,” he said.

In the past five months India has suffered from a spate of Islamist militancy, with bomb-blasts in half a dozen cities, including Delhi, Bangalore and Jaipur. A home-grown Muslim terrorist group, the Indian Mujahideen, has been blamed for the spree, in which over 150 people were killed. In a chilling, 14-page admission of responsibility for the Delhi bombings in September, the Indian Mujahideen castigated the counter-terrorism efforts of Mumbai’s police, and promised Mumbaikars future “deadly attacks”.

As India’s first indigenous Muslim terrorist group—so they have often been described—the Indian Mujahideen are a worrying sign. They seem to have evolved from a decade-long campaign by Pakistan-based militants, including many fighting an insurgency in Kashmir, to incite India’s 150m Muslims to revolt. These groups have been held primarily responsible for half a dozen major terrorist attacks in Mumbai in recent years. In 1993 local Muslim gangsters backed by Pakistan-based militants set off 13 near-simultaneous bomb-blasts in the city, killing more than 250 people. In 2006 another co-ordinated bombing spree on Mumbai’s railway killed over 180 commuters. A Pakistan-based group, Lashkar-e-Toiba, was blamed at the time.

This week’s attacks in Mumbai seemed different, however. Attacks by bands of gunmen on numerous targets, instead of the mere laying of bombs, and the seizure of so many hostages, led to speculation, unsupported by evidence, that local militants in India could not have mounted the attacks without considerable foreign help. And the targets chosen—world-famous hotels and Western tourists—were a new phenomenon for India, despite being a pattern familiar from attacks directed or inspired by al-Qaeda elsewhere in the world.

Al-Qaeda has often threatened to launch strikes in India. In 2006 Arab terrorists belonging to the organisation were foiled in an attempt to set off bombs in Goa, India’s main destination for foreign tourists. Among the targets of the latest attacks was a Jewish religious centre in southern Mumbai which was reported to have been fired on by the gunmen. Police said that an Israeli rabbi and his family were among a group being held as hostages in a nearby apartment block.

Despite these worrying signs, Indian officials have so far resisted suggestions that Indian Muslims are being radicalised and joining a global jihad. Many refer approvingly to the observation of George Bush that Muslims from India have not in general turned up to fight the infidels on the battlefields of Iraq and Afghanistan. But security analysts have meanwhile despaired at the unpreparedness of India’s security agencies to counter a domestic Islamist threat. Whether or not al-Qaeda was behind the latest attack, that happy complacency must now have ended.
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first of all some rules of jihad

1. one shouldnt attack children or women
2. one shouldnt kill their religious leaders
3. one shouldnt kill someone not related to the war

Interestingly enough after watching the coverage on the news that the pics show one "terrorist" with a "rakhee" on his right hand. Now, I don't know about you, but any "extremist" who hates hindus would not be wearing a rakhee on his wrist!

This smells of a set up. The world is depressed about the economy so what do they do to divert attention? Yep you guessed it, that old chestnut; terror attacks! now, they're even warning New Yorkers about impending subway attacks.
Altough a muslim would intentionaly wear a "Rakhi" on his wrist in order to hide his identety if he is up to no good.

instantly its called indias 911.
Again they blame Islam in general islam for this without enough proof.



Deccan Mujahideen --

"A lot of people in Andhra Pardesh, more specifically Hyderabad, are saying that this group is just a front to shed more light on the issues that go on in Hyderabad on a daily bases.... try to bring it to the international spotlight"
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O ye who believe ! if an unrighteous person brings you any news, investigate it fully, lest you harm a people in ignorance, and then you repent of what you did. (Noble Qur'an 49:6)


The games they play...

They plan, but Allah is the best of all planners.
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تمكنت قوات خاصة هندية من السيطرة على فندق تاج محل ومركز يهودي في مومباي وتحرير الرهائن المحتجزة هناك بعد القضاء على المسلحين المتحصنين بداخلهما، وما زالت تواصل عمليتها لانتزاع السيطرة على فندق ترايدنت أوبروي ومبنى سكني آخر، يعدان آخر معقلين للمسلحين في المدينة في حين أعلن رئيس وزراء ولاية مومباي فيلاسراو ديشموخ أن العملية العسكرية التي تجرى في فندق أوبروي ستنتهي في ساعات قليلة كحد أقصى بعدما أكد قائد القوات الهندية إحكام السيطرة عليه.
ورغم استمرار العمليات العسكرية في فندق اوبروي، إلا أن القوات الهندية المهاجمة تمكنت من تحرير حوالي ثلاث وتسعين رهينة من أصل أكثر من أربعمئة محتجزة في الفندق وهم يقومون بحملة تفتيش من غرفة إلى غرفة في الفندق بحثا عن رهائن. إلى ذلك تكللت عملية الكومندوس التي نفذتها قوات خاصة هندية في المركز اليهودي بنجاح باهر، بعدما رفضت نيودلهي عرضا اسرائيليا لتحرير الرهائن.
وبانتظار الحسم العسكري، يبدو أن الخلاف السياسي بين باكستان والهند في طريقه إلى التفجير من جديد، بعدما اتهم وزير الخارجية الهندي براناب مخرجي، عناصر باكستانية بالوقوف خلف الاعتداءات في مومباي ليؤكد بذلك جميع الاتهامات التي سيقت منذ بدء الهجوم الاربعاء عن تورط باكستاني، رغم النفي الباكستاني المتكرر. وبذلك تكون اعترافات المتطرفين المعتقلين قد أشعلت الجمر الهامد تحت الرماد بين البلدين، حيث أكدوا ان المسلحين ينتمون إلى جماعة "عسكر طيبة" الباكستانية التي تطالب باستقلال إقليم كشمير. وأشارت مصادر أمنية إلى أن الباكستاني المعتقل أجمال أمير كمال أبلغ المحققين الهنود أن مجموعة من اثني عشر مسلحا دخلت الأراضي الهندية بواسطة مركبة تجارية رست على بعد عشرة أميال عن المياه الإقليمية الهندية ووصلت إلى مومباي بواسطة قوارب صغيرة سريعة.
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أيام ثلاثة مرت كالجحيم على مدينة مومباي الهندية، التي عرفت أسوا فصول الجريمة في تاريخها في مسلسل أحمر لف بغموضه تفاصيل الهجوم الذي بدأ الاربعاء وكبد معه أكثر من مئة وثلاثين قتيلا بحسب حصيلة أولية.
آخر فصول موقعة مومباي، كانت في المركز اليهودي في المدينة حيث قامت عناصر الكومندوس الهندية باقتحام المركز وقتل جميع المتشددين من دون أن ينجحوا في إنقاذ الرهائن الذين تضاربت المعلومات بشأنهم فذكرت مصادر دبلوماسية اسرائيلية أن ستة منهم قتلوا أثناء العملية، في حين اشارت خدمة الانقاذ الاسرائيلية زاكا الى أن جميع الرهائن، بمن فيهم حاخام اسرائيلي وزوجته وفرنسيان وأميركيان، قتلوا . وأشارت معلومات صحافية إسرائيلية الى أن نيودلهي كانت رفضت عرضا إسرائيليا عسكريا في وقت سابق للمساهمة في حل الازمة عبر إرسال وحدات خاصة "تساحال" إلى مومباي.
ومع انتهاء الهجوم في المركز اليهودي، استعادت السلطات الهندية السيطرة على المواقع الثلاثة التي تحصن داخلها المسلحون وهي فندق تاج محل وترايدنت اوبروي بالاضافة إلى المركز اليهودي. وفي حين انتهى حصار فندق تاج محل الخميس، إلا ان ترايدنت اوبروي استمر محتلا حتى ظهر الجمعة عند قيام القوات الهندية بعملية نوعية لاعتقال ما تيسر من المسلحين وقتل الآخرين وتحرير حوالي مئتي رهينة من داخل جلهم من الاجانب فيما خلفوا وراءهم اربعة وعشرين قتيلا من المدنيين.
وإن كانت جميع الدلائل تشير إلى الحسم العسكري الهندي الاكيد، فإن الدلائل نفسها تشير إلى توتر دبلوماسي هندي باكستاني قد لا تحمد عقباه، خصوصا عبر الاتهام الصريح لوزير الخارجية الهندي براناب مخرجي، لعناصر باكستانية بالوقوف خلف الاعتداءات وهو ما نفته إسلام أباد بشدة بالرغم مما رشح عن سير التحقيقات التي كشفت ان المسلحين ينتمون إلى جماعة "عسكر طيبة" الباكستانية التي تطالب باستقلال إقليم كشمير. وأشارت مصادر أمنية إلى أن الباكستاني المعتقل أجمال أمير كمال أبلغ المحققين الهنود أن مجموعة من اثني عشر مسلحا دخلت الأراضي الهندية بواسطة سفينة تجارية رست على بعد عشرة أميال عن المياه الإقليمية الهندية ووصلت المجموعة إلى مومباي بواسطة قوارب صغيرة سريعة.
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My understanding was that first you negotiate with hostage takers to free hostages and if it doesn't work you send commandos on a limited surgical mission to free hostages, it takes max 30 minutes to finish the mission successfully or not.
I have never seen commandos battling hostage takers for 3 continuous days, what a fiasco!


Commando with no idea what he is shooting at!

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The Mossad Strikes In Mumbai


One of my recent post about Obama appointing an Israeli Rahm Emmanuel as his second hand was deleted from the forum and I suppose its because some lebanese are too nice and sensitive in hurting Israelis feeling or even exposing the truth about them.

Well in this link, I'm not the one exposing them but an x-Jew is.


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To blame this on the victims is just disgusting. It is called demonization. Stick to the facts.
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Thursday, 27 November 2008
Mumbai The Mossad Angle


GAUTAM ADHIKARI SPEAK UP… DO SOMETHING…SAY OPENLY THAT THE RSS-MOSSAD ARE RESPONSIBLE–OTHERWISE BE DAMNED AND CONSIDER THE NATION DOOMED. THEY KILLED KARKARE TO SEND A MESSAGE THAT YOU CANNOT INVESTIGATE THE MOSSAD-RSS ANGLE.

Mumbai and India Under Attack

It is 4AM in India right now. I am in Mumbai reporting from the ground. I have not slept a wink. Mumbai is under attack. People and forces who killed Mahatama Gandhi, who demolished the Babari Mosque have triumphed. More than 16 groups of terrorists have taken over Taj, Oberai and several hotels. Hundreds of people are dead. For the first time no one is blaming Muslim organizations. The Mumbai ATS chief Hemant Karkare and other officers of the ATS have been killed. These were the same people who were investigating the Malegaon Blasts–in which Praggya Singh, an army officer and several other noted personalities of the BJP-RSS-Bajrang Dal-VHP were arrested. Karkare was the man to arrest them. Karkare was receiving threats from several quarters. LK Advani, the BJP chief and several other prominent leaders of the so-called Hindu terrorism squad were gunning for his head. And the first casualty in the terrorist attack was Karkare! He is dead–gone–the firing by terrorists began from Nariman House–which is the only building in Mumbai inhabited by Jews. Some Hindu Gujaratis of the Nariman area spoke live on several TV channels–they openly said that the firing by terrorists began from Nariman house. And that for two years suspicious activities were going on in this house. But no one took notice.

Our worst fears have come true. It is clear that Mossad is involved in the whole affair. An entire city has been attacked by Mossad and probably units of mercenaries. It is not possible for one single organization to plan and execute such a sophisticated operation. It is clear that this operation was backed by communal forces from within the Indian State. The Home Minister Shivraj Patil should resign. The RSS-BJP-VHP-Bajrang Dal should be banned. Advani and others ought to be arrested. Today is a day of shame for all Indians and all Hindus. Muslims and secular Hindus have been proven right. RSS type forces and Israel are all involved in not only destabilizing but finishing India. India should immediately snap all relations with Israel. We owe this much to Karkare and the brave ATS men who had shown the courage to arrest Praggya Singh, Raj Kumar Purohit, the army officer and several others.

A photograph publushed in Urdu Times, Mumbai, clearly shows that Mossad and ex-Mossad men came to India and met Sadhus and other pro-Hindutva elements recently. A conspiracy was clearly hatched.


This is a moment of reckoning especially for Hindus of India. The killers of Gandhi have struck again. If we are true Sanatanis and true Hindus and true nationalists and true patriots we have to see this act as a clear attack by anti-national deshdrohi forces. Praggya Singh, Advani and the entire brand is anti-national. They ought to be shot. Any Hindu siding with them is hereafter warned of serious consequences.

This is a question of nationalism. If no one else, the Indian army will not take this lying down. Communal, anti-national forces have attacked the very foundation of the Indian constitution and the nation. We will fight a civil war if need be against the pro-Hindutva, communal forces and their Israeli backers.

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Thank you Ben Gurion for saying your mind. So this said, if a war ignites btw India and Pakistan which is very possible, we can then figure at least who is behind it.




Ben Gurion on Pakistan, published in the Jewish Chronicle, 1967:

“The world Zionist movement should not be neglectful of the dangers of Pakistan to it. And Pakistan now should be its first target, for this ideological State is a threat to our existence. And Pakistan, the whole of it, hates the Jews and loves the Arabs.

“This lover of the Arabs is more dangerous to us than the Arabs themselves.
For that matter, it is most essential for the world Zionism that it should now take immediate steps against Pakistan.
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This whole thing smells like fish to me, the only terrorist caught on camera in many different "poses" happens to be the only terrorist that was caught alive, hmmmmmmmm.
Now it's time for us to hear the "official" version of what happened after they made sure everyone that can speak is dead, well with the exception of the guy posing in front of the cameras, which I think wasn't even involved in the attack.
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